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I grew up on a small farm, and we had dairy cows, beef cattle and chickens. I will never touch another animal based product until I die.

steve_adams_86 3y ago
Likewise. If anything matters in this world, I think the wellbeing of sentient creatures is a good candidate for the top of the list. I cause enough suffering inadvertently, let alone by intentionally supporting this kind of industry. I found it easy to stop once that clicked. A moment of pleasure can’t justify the immense suffering that made it possible.
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Yeah, I work on a cute idyllic farm town with free range animals and despite all this feel-good stuff, I’ve seen chickens living in horrible conditions and baby cows I know will be separated from their mothers. The way I look at it, it’s an issue of consent. The animals can’t consent to how they’re being treated, so we shouldn’t do it. At least not in developed nations where we have so many alternatives. The idea that “free range” means it’s okay to corral these animals at will and kill them well before their natural lives just doesn’t fit for me. Meanwhile, lentils and soybeans are amazing!
biotinker 3y ago
It's not possible to raise ethical beef at sufficient scale for a median piece of beef to be ethical, but it's absolutely possible to do so with chickens. It may be more profitable to raise chickens in inhumane conditions, but it is not necessary to do so to supply the US with the quantity of chickens and eggs it consumes. Anyone with an acre of land (i.e. most Americans that don't live in cities) has enough space to raise enough chickens to fully feed their family on eggs, or meat if they so chose. Whether their HOAs or municipalities allow them to do so is another matter. Chickens are very easy to raise for eggs. We have a dozen chickens who have really excellent lives, and we are overflowing with more eggs than we can eat.

steve_adams_86 3y ago

Likewise. If anything matters in this world, I think the wellbeing of sentient creatures is a good candidate for the top of the list. I cause enough suffering inadvertently, let alone by intentionally supporting this kind of industry. I found it easy to stop once that clicked. A moment of pleasure can’t justify the immense suffering that made it possible.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

Yeah, I work on a cute idyllic farm town with free range animals and despite all this feel-good stuff, I’ve seen chickens living in horrible conditions and baby cows I know will be separated from their mothers. The way I look at it, it’s an issue of consent. The animals can’t consent to how they’re being treated, so we shouldn’t do it. At least not in developed nations where we have so many alternatives. The idea that “free range” means it’s okay to corral these animals at will and kill them well before their natural lives just doesn’t fit for me. Meanwhile, lentils and soybeans are amazing!

biotinker 3y ago

It's not possible to raise ethical beef at sufficient scale for a median piece of beef to be ethical, but it's absolutely possible to do so with chickens. It may be more profitable to raise chickens in inhumane conditions, but it is not necessary to do so to supply the US with the quantity of chickens and eggs it consumes. Anyone with an acre of land (i.e. most Americans that don't live in cities) has enough space to raise enough chickens to fully feed their family on eggs, or meat if they so chose. Whether their HOAs or municipalities allow them to do so is another matter. Chickens are very easy to raise for eggs. We have a dozen chickens who have really excellent lives, and we are overflowing with more eggs than we can eat.