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Camus, Albert and the Anarchists (2007)
- spxneo 2y agoCamus and his views remind me of a certain political spectrum in Western society that is very popular.
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- 082349872349872 2y ago> a certain political spectrum Which one would that be? LⒶgniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7qT-C-0ajI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7qT-C-0ajI
- hn_version_0023 2y agoPlease be direct and name what you’re referring to?
- reocha 2y agoI had no idea Albert Camus was an anarchist, I've read some of his work (The Myth of Sisyphus and The rebel) and it shouldn't really surprise me to find out he is a socialist of some form. Edit: If it isn't clear Camus is a fantastic writer and you should definitely check out some of his work, and more articles from https://libcom.org/ https://libcom.org/ if you have the time!
- ughitsaaron 2y agoAt the very least, even if you haven’t read Camus, I expect that any programmer of any experience should already have some intuitive sympathy with “The Myth of Sisyphus.”
- reocha 2y agoOne must imagine Sisyphus happy working within an extremely obscure and undocumented micro services architecture
- VelesDude 2y agoFixing one bug only to find the fix reveals another bug. Repeat til the end of time.
- 082349872349872 2y agoIf staging is sometimes debugged in sorrow, it can also take place in joy, for the struggle itself to release to prod is enough to fill a dev's heart. Lagniappe: https://existentialcomics.com/comic/29 https://existentialcomics.com/comic/29
- wcarron 2y agoReally? I think he was very open in his admiration for some of the anarchists mentioned in The Rebel, calling Kaliayev & co, 'men of the highest principles' and refers to other anarchists' "profound considerations for the lives of others".
- reocha 2y agoI either forgot about them or didn't make the association, its been a while since I've read it.
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- lordleft 2y agoCamus famously broke with the french left over (certain aspects) of Algerian Liberation, for the simple reason that his mother continued to live there. He famously quipped: "At this moment bombs are being planted in the trams in Algiers. My mother could be on one of those trams. If that is justice, I prefer my mother." ...which won him no small amount of censure. I always think of this moment when I am asked to co-sign, wholeheartedly, the measures endorsed by certain movements.
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- omeze 2y agoYes, generally people side with their family and loved ones over principles. My fathers family had their house aerial bombed by the french, so a few tram bombs just sounds par for the course of an independence uprising. But your main point is correct - violence is always ugly, and we have to be careful when rationalizing it to achieve pragmatic goals.
- incompatible 2y agoWe can also generalize beyond our families, and make it one of our principles not to harm innocent people. This puts random bombings of trams or housing off-limits. How likely is it that these acts will achieve pragmatic goals anyway?
- sevagh 2y agoWell the Algerians successfully overthrew the French colonizers after violent uprisings.
- incompatible 2y agoI'm not familiar with how it worked out with the Algerians, and whether attacks on civilians were a deciding factor. Of course, similar situations still occur today, when you have a colonising power with overwhelming military superiority, and the dispossessed resort to attacks on civilians.
- freedomben 2y agoTangential, but one of the things I am most excited about as AI gets "human level" good at audio book narration is the ability to turn things like the Anarchist Library into audio books. There are so many things that I want to read that I just don't have time for (there and other places) but are far too obscure to ever get a professional narration. And yes Librivox has quite a few of them, but the quality is ... a little distracting (or at least was in the late 10s when I last checked).
- dotsam 2y agoMe too. I’ve been impressed with some essays I’ve listened to via Open AI TTS. Much better than the librivox ones I’ve occasionally suffered through, and it’s only going to get better.
- jilijeanlouis 2y agoDid you try other providers such as 11labs or open source like voice craft or openvoice
- throwup238 2y agoI too can't wait for my first ASMR napalm recipe! Finally I'll be able to get a good night's sleep.
- ufocia 2y agoAnarchist Library not The Anarchist Cookbook, silly.
- throwup238 2y agoDrats! Foiled by reading comprehension, once again!
- TaylorAlexander 2y agoI was just thinking about this recently. There’s an obscure book I can get on ebook but not audiobook. Does anyone know the state of the art for producing an audiobook with a text to speech network?
- anaccount342 2y agoWell, he met Gaston Leval, who wrote about CNT's economic successes within the Spanish civil war/revolution (primarily in the books called "Collectives in the Spanish Revolution" and "Collectives in Aragon"). Anyone who has read those accounts in good faith can not help but seriously consider those ideas as their own.
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- photochemsyn 2y agoThe Rebel is a very interesting piece of work - you can randomly flip it open to any page and find tidbits like this: > "When we are assured that tomorrow, in the natural order of events, will be better than today, we can enjoy ourselves in peace. Progress, paradoxically, can be used to justify conservatism. A draft drawn on confidence in the future, it allows the master to have a clear conscience. The slave and those whose present life is miserable and who can find no consolation in the heavens are assured that at least the future belongs to them. The future is the only kind of property that the masters willingly concede to the slaves." However, even after reading the book the notion of anarchism remains unclear. I couldn't tell you how an anarchist would go about setting up a steel factory (or any other activity requiring highly coordinated human effort) in line with anarchist principles, for example.
- piloto_ciego 2y agoCheck out the CNT in Spain.
- incompatible 2y agoIn principle, the steelworkers would be like any group of people working together without hierarchy. How would a group of friends decide where to go in the afternoon? If there is more than one option, but only one can be taken, then either they'd split off into multiple groups, or they'd vote on which option has the greater support, perhaps with dissenters leaving.
- photochemsyn 2y agoSome positions in a complicated workflow do require far more experience and skill than others, so it would seem a hierarchy of some kind would naturally arise? You really wouldn't want someone with just a few months of experience making potentially catastrophic decisions, for example.
- incompatible 2y agoI suppose any kind of hierarchy would need to be informal, based on workers following the examples set by other workers who they trust to have the right expertise. But unlike in a typical formal hierarchy, this wouldn't need to be those who have simply worked there the longest, or have the greatest drive for power over others, or those who have the best connections with the owners. There wouldn't be any fringe benefits (payment) for having greater influence through expertise.
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