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The IIHS has repeatedly shown that Tesla airbags are the best in class. Deploying airbags when not needed can do significant harm to occupants. Not to mention t

The IIHS has repeatedly shown that Tesla airbags are the best in class. Deploying airbags when not needed can do significant harm to occupants. Not to mention total vehicles for no good reason. There isn't a need to wonder when independent data gatherers have already answered the question.

londons_explore 3y ago
It can be best in class, yet still rarely deploy... It can even be best in class when tested, rarely deploy, and save more lives than competitors. It just needs to correctly detect cases like this[1]. [1]: https://youtu.be/MTX0MvqBqL0?t=10 https://youtu.be/MTX0MvqBqL0?t=10
- bangaladore 3y ago
  You claim that Tesla is gaming the system. I'm not aware of a definition of gaming in which the system is overall safer or equivalently safer than other top-tier competitors. That seems objectively better than deploying airbags when they will harm the occupants or total the vehicle when not-needed.
  - chucksta 3y ago
    It only makes sense if everyone else is gaming the system, and then it just proves it's still the best lol.
  - thenewnewguy 3y ago
    Tesla is not gaming the system by having a good airbag system that only deploys when necessary (that's actually really good!). Tesla is gaming the system by excluding accidents where the airbags don't deploy from the "Autopilot/FSD accidents" dataset, thus artificially deflating the number of accidents.
    - bangaladore 3y ago
      This is a point you certainly could make. But it is not what the original commenter wrote.
      - thenewnewguy 3y ago
        Agreed, but I am not the original commenter, I am making my own point separately from them. I agree with you that Tesla isn't gaming anything by having a good airbag.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> The IIHS has repeatedly shown that Tesla airbags are the best in class. No they haven't. For a start, IIHS doesn't rank "airbags". And then... Tesla fans love to latch on to this as a trope. The IIHS -groups- vehicles into safety levels by class. It doesn't rank in class, at all. So what, you might say, they're still in the top or top two safety levels, they deserve credit... Except: There are twenty one other vehicle at that same level or higher in the same segment ("mid-size luxury"), and sixteen if you only count the top segment. Of those, Tesla could be number 1, or number 16. You don't know. So this whole meme of "Tesla is the safest" needs to die, it's just bluster.
- bangaladore 3y ago
  I think you are misrepresenting the actual IIHS results. For example, the Model Y is one of five cars that achieved the highest rating in its size class, not one of 16. You are grouping their highest and second-highest tiers together. Additionally, the Model Y is by and far the cheapest vehicle in that category. So, yes. If you consider a car to be classified by size and price, I think it is a very reasonable way to classify a car, the Model Y is very clearly the best in its class.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    > For example, the Model Y is one of five cars that achieved the highest rating in its size class, not one of 16. You are grouping their highest and second-highest tiers together. Who said I was talking about the Y? (I also specifically said that I was grouping them ("they're still in the top or top two safety levels"), because IIHS has "Top Safety Pick+", "Top Safety Pick" and "Others". Though I have been looking at 2023. But let's break it down: Tesla Model 3: Didn't make the cut. Model S: Didn't make the cut. > So, yes. If you consider a car to be classified by size and price, I think it is a very reasonable way to classify a car, the Model Y is very clearly the best in its class. "So yes" implies a logical conclusion. But your initial point was "IIHS says Tesla has the best airbags in class", which it does not. For one model of car it says that it is in the top five of that segment. But then somehow you blow that out to be "clearly, best in class, because it's cheapest". Like, no. The other cars in the category could have better safety than the Model Y. And if your argument is "its best because its cheapest" when it comes to safety? Wow. Huh. I suppose we all know the safest components are the cheapest?

londons_explore 3y ago

It can be best in class, yet still rarely deploy... It can even be best in class when tested, rarely deploy, and save more lives than competitors. It just needs to correctly detect cases like this[1]. [1]: https://youtu.be/MTX0MvqBqL0?t=10 https://youtu.be/MTX0MvqBqL0?t=10

bangaladore 3y ago
You claim that Tesla is gaming the system. I'm not aware of a definition of gaming in which the system is overall safer or equivalently safer than other top-tier competitors. That seems objectively better than deploying airbags when they will harm the occupants or total the vehicle when not-needed.
- chucksta 3y ago
  It only makes sense if everyone else is gaming the system, and then it just proves it's still the best lol.
- thenewnewguy 3y ago
  Tesla is not gaming the system by having a good airbag system that only deploys when necessary (that's actually really good!). Tesla is gaming the system by excluding accidents where the airbags don't deploy from the "Autopilot/FSD accidents" dataset, thus artificially deflating the number of accidents.
  - bangaladore 3y ago
    This is a point you certainly could make. But it is not what the original commenter wrote.
    - thenewnewguy 3y ago
      Agreed, but I am not the original commenter, I am making my own point separately from them. I agree with you that Tesla isn't gaming anything by having a good airbag.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> The IIHS has repeatedly shown that Tesla airbags are the best in class. No they haven't. For a start, IIHS doesn't rank "airbags". And then... Tesla fans love to latch on to this as a trope. The IIHS -groups- vehicles into safety levels by class. It doesn't rank in class, at all. So what, you might say, they're still in the top or top two safety levels, they deserve credit... Except: There are twenty one other vehicle at that same level or higher in the same segment ("mid-size luxury"), and sixteen if you only count the top segment. Of those, Tesla could be number 1, or number 16. You don't know. So this whole meme of "Tesla is the safest" needs to die, it's just bluster.

bangaladore 3y ago
I think you are misrepresenting the actual IIHS results. For example, the Model Y is one of five cars that achieved the highest rating in its size class, not one of 16. You are grouping their highest and second-highest tiers together. Additionally, the Model Y is by and far the cheapest vehicle in that category. So, yes. If you consider a car to be classified by size and price, I think it is a very reasonable way to classify a car, the Model Y is very clearly the best in its class.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  > For example, the Model Y is one of five cars that achieved the highest rating in its size class, not one of 16. You are grouping their highest and second-highest tiers together. Who said I was talking about the Y? (I also specifically said that I was grouping them ("they're still in the top or top two safety levels"), because IIHS has "Top Safety Pick+", "Top Safety Pick" and "Others". Though I have been looking at 2023. But let's break it down: Tesla Model 3: Didn't make the cut. Model S: Didn't make the cut. > So, yes. If you consider a car to be classified by size and price, I think it is a very reasonable way to classify a car, the Model Y is very clearly the best in its class. "So yes" implies a logical conclusion. But your initial point was "IIHS says Tesla has the best airbags in class", which it does not. For one model of car it says that it is in the top five of that segment. But then somehow you blow that out to be "clearly, best in class, because it's cheapest". Like, no. The other cars in the category could have better safety than the Model Y. And if your argument is "its best because its cheapest" when it comes to safety? Wow. Huh. I suppose we all know the safest components are the cheapest?