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It’s funny because in Stripe Sessions they seems quite careful to say “machine learning” and not “AI” which I found quite refreshing. It was “ML to help improve

It’s funny because in Stripe Sessions they seems quite careful to say “machine learning” and not “AI” which I found quite refreshing. It was “ML to help improved results of …” and not “AI will do magic!”, but of course, that doesn’t stop the press from rephrasing it into what appears to the casual reader as the same ol’ hype nonsense. Congrats to the Stripe folks! Metrics API is exactly what I needed.

the_real_cher 2y ago
I wish we could separate machine learning from the term A.I. I don't really think we have A.I. until we hit AGI.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  Arguably, ML allows us to use software to accomplish things which otherwise seem to require some level of human (or animal) intelligence. Yet we know it’s not actually intelligent in the way we are or for the reasons we are. So, it’s artificial intelligence. This seems reasonable to me. AGI is something much different both technically and perhaps philosophically as well. If it ever arises, it may be virtually indistinguishable from the intelligence we have. It might not be strictly artificial in that it may actually constitute a legitimate form of intelligence. That’s why some of us worry it may also constitute a form of consciousness, but that’s a separate beast.
  - ehnto 2y ago
    Because AI is used in the gaming industry to mean a stand in for human behaviour, the use of the term AI has been quite haphazard in my view. AGI would be real intelligence, different entirely as you said. AI should be a system trying to reproduce intelligent behaviors but not actually be intelligence. So in my view machine learning is different in that it is not attempting to emulate intelligent behaviours, it's advanced versions of machine tasks. Invaluable technique providing a lot of value, but to call it even AI I am not sure I agree with. ChatGPT is attempting to approximate something intelligent beings will do, conversation, AI makes sense there. But mant AI labeled products are perhaps better categorized as advanced machine behaviours, not attempts at emulating intelligent behaviours.
    - steve_adams_86 2y ago
      Okay, I see what you mean. Could it be summarized as “some forms of machine learning resemble static logic more than adaptable, intelligent systems”? I suppose there could be a class for that which isn’t intelligence, though I wonder where you’d draw the line.

the_real_cher 2y ago

I wish we could separate machine learning from the term A.I. I don't really think we have A.I. until we hit AGI.

steve_adams_86 2y ago
Arguably, ML allows us to use software to accomplish things which otherwise seem to require some level of human (or animal) intelligence. Yet we know it’s not actually intelligent in the way we are or for the reasons we are. So, it’s artificial intelligence. This seems reasonable to me. AGI is something much different both technically and perhaps philosophically as well. If it ever arises, it may be virtually indistinguishable from the intelligence we have. It might not be strictly artificial in that it may actually constitute a legitimate form of intelligence. That’s why some of us worry it may also constitute a form of consciousness, but that’s a separate beast.
- ehnto 2y ago
  Because AI is used in the gaming industry to mean a stand in for human behaviour, the use of the term AI has been quite haphazard in my view. AGI would be real intelligence, different entirely as you said. AI should be a system trying to reproduce intelligent behaviors but not actually be intelligence. So in my view machine learning is different in that it is not attempting to emulate intelligent behaviours, it's advanced versions of machine tasks. Invaluable technique providing a lot of value, but to call it even AI I am not sure I agree with. ChatGPT is attempting to approximate something intelligent beings will do, conversation, AI makes sense there. But mant AI labeled products are perhaps better categorized as advanced machine behaviours, not attempts at emulating intelligent behaviours.
  - steve_adams_86 2y ago
    Okay, I see what you mean. Could it be summarized as “some forms of machine learning resemble static logic more than adaptable, intelligent systems”? I suppose there could be a class for that which isn’t intelligence, though I wonder where you’d draw the line.