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The smoking ban is incredibly popular and supported by most people across all generations, also given we have tax payer funded healthcare this is a clear win fo
by simonbarker87 2y ago
The smoking ban is incredibly popular and supported by most people across all generations, also given we have tax payer funded healthcare this is a clear win for the nation.
- lonelyasacloud 2y agoPopular but stupid. Surely we've learnt by now that outright prohibition is only good for funnelling money to criminals?
- simonbarker87 2y agoOnly if smoking is seen as cool, which it isn’t any more. Vaping is the way to go for kids these days and whilst still not great it seems like it’s better than smoking.
- A_D_E_P_T 2y agoSpare some thought as to why it's no longer "seen as cool." That's about to be turned on its head. Banning smoking will make it seem edgy, transgressive, and alluring. Still worse, banning it only for people below a certain age will make it seem mature and sophisticated to those below the cutoff. The forbidden fruit. The UK Govt couldn't possibly devise a better way to popularize cigarettes with young people. And they'll create a nice little black market, to boot.
- nmca 2y agosuppose we design a reasonable experiment here, like taking a random sample of teenagers and mitigating for anonymity concerns. are you seriously claiming that this would show an increase after the ban? or to put it another way --- the phenomenon you point to is real but completely swamped by the more direct impacts
- A_D_E_P_T 2y agoIf we were talking of the USA, or of a European nation like Croatia, I'd bet that smoking rates in youth show a slow but gradual increase in the years following a UK-style ban. In the UK, however, the way to bet is that the government enforces the ban with maniacal zeal, so smoking rates will probably go down slightly in the near term. (For better or worse -- usually worse -- the UK has more state capacity to enforce a ban than the US or indeed the vast majority of other countries.) But smoking will become, once again, a prestigious activity. All the cool kids will smoke, if only for the social signaling benefits. Over more than a decade, youth smoking rates might surpass what they were before the ban.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoWorth noting that the harm done, both economically and personally, by overpolicing smoking would probably be worse than the consequences of the smoking it manages to prevent
- posix_monad 2y agoThe taxes paid on nicotene products more than offset the cost of the healthcare.
- simonbarker87 2y agoIf it were additive to the base cost of healthcare for the nation but it’s not, taxation isn’t ring fenced like that.
- extraduder_ire 2y agoWould that matter outside of optics? Tax money is fungible.