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Importantly, FSD has had very aggressive cabin monitoring for years, while autopilot gained this feature from a recall sometime last year. This article notes t

Importantly, FSD has had very aggressive cabin monitoring for years, while autopilot gained this feature from a recall sometime last year. This article notes that the NHTSA will launch a new investigation to see if the new driver monitoring features are sufficient. Part of the problem with investigations that take many years to complete is that the conclusion is meaningless due to over-the-air updates, as this issue was solved at least last year.

daghamm 3y ago
But why are we hearing stories about people playing games, reading emails or even sleeping in their teslas? Last time I heard that, it was from an actual Tesla employee. Commuting 1.5 hrs to work and doing emails during that time.
- bangaladore 3y ago
  Please provide sources for those claims. I agree that this was possible with a device to apply force to the steering wheel before they added the cabin camera to autopilot / FSD. However, since adding cabin camera to autopilot/FSD retroactively to all vehicles that can support it (2018+), stuff like this simply isn't possible without the car kicking you out of FSD or autopilot. This change would have been made sometime mid-last year for autopilot and far before that for FSD.
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    What about the hundreds of thousands of pre-2018+ vehicles?
  - daghamm 3y ago
    Tesla employee claimed he does email during commute to work just two days ago on LinkedIn. Maybe his car has some kind of special software?? Can't find the OG post, but it was discussed on reddit, for example https://old.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1cbh024/trending_on_linkedin_guy_gives_all_to_tesla_just/l0yl9r8/ https://old.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1cbh024/trending_on_l...
FireBeyond 3y ago
> FSD has had very aggressive cabin monitoring for years When FSD was first released, the steering wheel checks were every fifteen MINUTES (and there are fatal collision reports that mention that in one incident, the car only checked for attentiveness 6 times in 37 minutes), and NHTSA had to push Tesla into reducing that to a sane number.

daghamm 3y ago

But why are we hearing stories about people playing games, reading emails or even sleeping in their teslas? Last time I heard that, it was from an actual Tesla employee. Commuting 1.5 hrs to work and doing emails during that time.

bangaladore 3y ago
Please provide sources for those claims. I agree that this was possible with a device to apply force to the steering wheel before they added the cabin camera to autopilot / FSD. However, since adding cabin camera to autopilot/FSD retroactively to all vehicles that can support it (2018+), stuff like this simply isn't possible without the car kicking you out of FSD or autopilot. This change would have been made sometime mid-last year for autopilot and far before that for FSD.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  What about the hundreds of thousands of pre-2018+ vehicles?
- daghamm 3y ago
  Tesla employee claimed he does email during commute to work just two days ago on LinkedIn. Maybe his car has some kind of special software?? Can't find the OG post, but it was discussed on reddit, for example https://old.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1cbh024/trending_on_linkedin_guy_gives_all_to_tesla_just/l0yl9r8/ https://old.reddit.com/r/jobs/comments/1cbh024/trending_on_l...

FireBeyond 3y ago

> FSD has had very aggressive cabin monitoring for years When FSD was first released, the steering wheel checks were every fifteen MINUTES (and there are fatal collision reports that mention that in one incident, the car only checked for attentiveness 6 times in 37 minutes), and NHTSA had to push Tesla into reducing that to a sane number.