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I know people are retorting “non assisted drivers are dangerous too, you know” and that’s true. But: > In 59 crashes examined by NHTSA, the agency found that T

I know people are retorting “non assisted drivers are dangerous too, you know” and that’s true. But: > In 59 crashes examined by NHTSA, the agency found that Tesla drivers had enough time, “five or more seconds,” prior to crashing into another object in which to react. In 19 of those crashes, the hazard was visible for 10 or more seconds before the collision. Reviewing crash logs and data provided by Tesla, NHTSA found that drivers failed to brake or steer to avoid the hazard in a majority of the crashes analyzed. If an unassisted driver had reactions like they'd be arrested for reckless driving at minimum. Tesla’s systems are obviously not safe. I suspect naming them things like “autopilot” and “full self drive” really don’t help perceptions and the systems themselves are clearly not able to get a useful gauge of driver attention. They’re overselling ability and under checking driver compliance.

ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago
If an unassisted driver had reactions like they'd be arrested for reckless driving at minimum. That's not unheard of. If I read the statistics correctly, unassisted reckless driving kills about 10,000 people in the USA per year: https://www.goddardlawwv.com/2020/01/30/2019-united-states-car-accident-statistics/ https://www.goddardlawwv.com/2020/01/30/2019-united-states-c...
- afavour 3y ago
  Of course. So when those drivers are reckless, we arrest them. When Tesla's software is reckless we... shrug our shoulders?
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    perhaps we should arrest reckless tesla drivers too
    - daghamm 3y ago
      Fun fact: Tesla drivers are the most reckless drivers. https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/ https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/
      - s1artibartfast 3y ago
        Interesting data. BMW drivers have 2x the DUI rate of the next highest brand, haha. Certainly fits the stereotype.
        daghamm 3y ago
        Yeah, that was odd. Even more odd that this didn't translate to that many accidents. And of course, RAM & Subaru drivers are the exact opposite of Volvo drivers. Surprised absolutely no one :)
1970-01-01 3y ago
>Tesla’s systems are obviously not safe. NHTSA has the ability to recall every single Tesla ever put on the road, for any safety reason, including the recent 'warning light size is too small to read' Therefore, NHTSA also have full authority to shut down FSD, or force Tesla to rename 'Full Self Driving' to something more fitting. Yet NHTSA allows it to be what it is. If it were truly unsafe, NHTSA would immediately put the brakes on it. (Yes, have a Friday pun.) Before anyone can call FSD not safe, a full investigation needs to occur. These are just the first steps.

ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago

If an unassisted driver had reactions like they'd be arrested for reckless driving at minimum. That's not unheard of. If I read the statistics correctly, unassisted reckless driving kills about 10,000 people in the USA per year: https://www.goddardlawwv.com/2020/01/30/2019-united-states-car-accident-statistics/ https://www.goddardlawwv.com/2020/01/30/2019-united-states-c...

afavour 3y ago
Of course. So when those drivers are reckless, we arrest them. When Tesla's software is reckless we... shrug our shoulders?
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  perhaps we should arrest reckless tesla drivers too
  - daghamm 3y ago
    Fun fact: Tesla drivers are the most reckless drivers. https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/ https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      Interesting data. BMW drivers have 2x the DUI rate of the next highest brand, haha. Certainly fits the stereotype.
      - daghamm 3y ago
        Yeah, that was odd. Even more odd that this didn't translate to that many accidents. And of course, RAM & Subaru drivers are the exact opposite of Volvo drivers. Surprised absolutely no one :)

1970-01-01 3y ago

>Tesla’s systems are obviously not safe. NHTSA has the ability to recall every single Tesla ever put on the road, for any safety reason, including the recent 'warning light size is too small to read' Therefore, NHTSA also have full authority to shut down FSD, or force Tesla to rename 'Full Self Driving' to something more fitting. Yet NHTSA allows it to be what it is. If it were truly unsafe, NHTSA would immediately put the brakes on it. (Yes, have a Friday pun.) Before anyone can call FSD not safe, a full investigation needs to occur. These are just the first steps.