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To be expected when the MBAs take over... I will admit that Cook has done a much better job of shepherding Apple than say, Sundar Pichai (barf) but Apple has ex

To be expected when the MBAs take over... I will admit that Cook has done a much better job of shepherding Apple than say, Sundar Pichai (barf) but Apple has exerted many of the same patterns of failure - lack of vision, vendor lock-in and squeezing customers for every last penny they're worth for short-term gains in stock price. It's all the same business school behavior that we need to expect from that type of person.

innagadadavida 3y ago
I wouldn’t buy a machine with 8gb and the MBAs are just extracting value from their customers. However as an engineer interested in efficient software, I support what Apple is doing here. If there is a significant number more of machines with just 8gb, it forces the software developers to think and consider these folks to keep their software less bloated. I’m not talking about professional apps like photoshop, but regular things like email clients and browsers. I feel browsers and bloated websites can optimize their memory consumption here.
- layer8 3y ago
  Safari doesn’t seem to be particularly optimized in that way, judging by its reloading behavior. If Apple itself doesn’t do it, who will?
  - innagadadavida 3y ago
    Safari seems to be doing better than Chrome for memory consumption, I don't know any other browsers that are better here - root cause is that the websites have to fix their excessive memory consumption. The reloading behavior that I've seen on iPhone Safari a lot seems to be due to websites consuming excessive memory that triggers the tab to get closed. You are right, this is not sufficient carrot/stick for website developers to fix their software.
- plorkyeran 3y ago
  I would expect shared code between macOS and iOS to be a much better driver of that. 8GB is still a lot more than most iPhones have, and a large part of the OS is shared between platforms.
Simulacra 3y ago
Apple needs a Steve Jobs, someone with more of a marketing or engineering background, to dictatorially push forward new ideas, and crush bad ones. Steve would have never approved the Apple Helmet.

innagadadavida 3y ago

I wouldn’t buy a machine with 8gb and the MBAs are just extracting value from their customers. However as an engineer interested in efficient software, I support what Apple is doing here. If there is a significant number more of machines with just 8gb, it forces the software developers to think and consider these folks to keep their software less bloated. I’m not talking about professional apps like photoshop, but regular things like email clients and browsers. I feel browsers and bloated websites can optimize their memory consumption here.

layer8 3y ago
Safari doesn’t seem to be particularly optimized in that way, judging by its reloading behavior. If Apple itself doesn’t do it, who will?
- innagadadavida 3y ago
  Safari seems to be doing better than Chrome for memory consumption, I don't know any other browsers that are better here - root cause is that the websites have to fix their excessive memory consumption. The reloading behavior that I've seen on iPhone Safari a lot seems to be due to websites consuming excessive memory that triggers the tab to get closed. You are right, this is not sufficient carrot/stick for website developers to fix their software.
plorkyeran 3y ago
I would expect shared code between macOS and iOS to be a much better driver of that. 8GB is still a lot more than most iPhones have, and a large part of the OS is shared between platforms.

Simulacra 3y ago

Apple needs a Steve Jobs, someone with more of a marketing or engineering background, to dictatorially push forward new ideas, and crush bad ones. Steve would have never approved the Apple Helmet.