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> Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. Steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a pre

> Notice how it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful. Steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a predominantly male demographic, which has all sorts of nasty side effects. Now there are apparently also procedures where young men break their bones to gain a few centimeters in height. While cosmetic procedures aren't as common among men as they are in women, they're getting increasingly popular. So saying its "never" men is a huuuuuuuugeeee stretch.

DoreenMichele 2y ago
They also prescribe steroids to boost your immune system when you have nasty infections, so it's not cut and dried that "steroids = all downside and stupidity." Unless you want to insist modern medicine has deep flaws and needs a major overhaul. Good luck getting taken seriously with such opinions.
- moooo99 2y ago
  I was of the impression that when talking about stupid things people do to themselves, it did not specifically need to be said that I am talking about anabolic steroid abuse without a prescription, for the purpose of performance enhancement. No need to strawman my comment
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    I'm absolutely not trying to strawman your comment. There is no clear cut, bright line between life and health. The body doesn't care if you took steroids with a prescription or without one. As noted in another comment, Arnold Schwarzenegger has a heart condition. I have read it might have killed him at a young age if he hadn't been a devoted fitness nut. He admits to using steroids. He's still alive.
    - moooo99 2y ago
      > The body doesn't care if you took steroids with a prescription or without one. The body doesn't, but the person who prescribes the medication does. With any medication there are tradeoffs to be made. A doctor is usually able to make a more qualified assessment of said tradeoffs than the average patient. After all, the tradeoffs of taking anabolic steroids are plenty, especially when taken over longer periods of time. And not to mention the fact that the stuff people source illegaly is rarely chemically as safe as the stuff used as medication. > He's still alive. He is, many other high profile bodybuilders aren't. While that's not a medically meaningful statistic, these are the people whose aesthetics young men strive for.
      - DoreenMichele 2y ago
        I'm someone with a serious medical condition where the official medical position boils down to "Quit your bitching about how you want real help and stop bothering us with ridiculous demands to do something effective. Politely and quietly die your slow, torturous death while revering and appreciating the monsters not really caring about your welfare." So my view of modern medicine is a tad more jaded than yours and I guess this is where we agree to disagree.
- Mordisquitos 2y ago
  "Steroids" [0] are a very broad category of organic compounds, and it is a mistake to assume that the effects of steroids used for performance enhancing and bodybuilding —anabolic steroids, themselves still a broad category [1]— have anything to do with steroids in general and the specific clinical use cases that each of them may have. Furthermore, the steroids that you are referring to are most likely corticosteroids [2], which are most certainly not prescribed to "boost your immune system" but rather to reduce the immune response when it is excessive, or even suppress it to treat autoimmune diseases. Please don't assume that off-label anabolic steroid usage is somehow safe and healthy only because modern medicine uses completely different compounds which happen to share a portion of their chemical structure for treating specific medical issues. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroid
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    Technically, vitamin D is a steroid, not a vitamin. I'm not assuming it's safe. I'm merely asserting it's not as cut and dried as "steroids: bad."
    - Mordisquitos 2y ago
      You asserted that 'it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful', to which a commenter replied that 'steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a predominantly male demographic'. Don't you think that is an example of men doing 'stupidly risky stuff' for cosmetic reasons?
      - DoreenMichele 2y ago
        To my mind, it's a little different because bodybuilding is a form of fitness when done right. Injecting blood into the skin on your face is purely cosmetic. And I have a lot of experience with doing things that helped my health in the face of not having a proper diagnosis for nearly 36 years that other people were highly critical of, so I'm a tad skeptical that young men using steroids are all 100 percent merely being stupid and self destructive. No doubt that some are. But I feel it's more complicated than the kinds of cosmetic crap women tend to do.

DoreenMichele 2y ago

They also prescribe steroids to boost your immune system when you have nasty infections, so it's not cut and dried that "steroids = all downside and stupidity." Unless you want to insist modern medicine has deep flaws and needs a major overhaul. Good luck getting taken seriously with such opinions.

moooo99 2y ago
I was of the impression that when talking about stupid things people do to themselves, it did not specifically need to be said that I am talking about anabolic steroid abuse without a prescription, for the purpose of performance enhancement. No need to strawman my comment
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  I'm absolutely not trying to strawman your comment. There is no clear cut, bright line between life and health. The body doesn't care if you took steroids with a prescription or without one. As noted in another comment, Arnold Schwarzenegger has a heart condition. I have read it might have killed him at a young age if he hadn't been a devoted fitness nut. He admits to using steroids. He's still alive.
  - moooo99 2y ago
    > The body doesn't care if you took steroids with a prescription or without one. The body doesn't, but the person who prescribes the medication does. With any medication there are tradeoffs to be made. A doctor is usually able to make a more qualified assessment of said tradeoffs than the average patient. After all, the tradeoffs of taking anabolic steroids are plenty, especially when taken over longer periods of time. And not to mention the fact that the stuff people source illegaly is rarely chemically as safe as the stuff used as medication. > He's still alive. He is, many other high profile bodybuilders aren't. While that's not a medically meaningful statistic, these are the people whose aesthetics young men strive for.
    - DoreenMichele 2y ago
      I'm someone with a serious medical condition where the official medical position boils down to "Quit your bitching about how you want real help and stop bothering us with ridiculous demands to do something effective. Politely and quietly die your slow, torturous death while revering and appreciating the monsters not really caring about your welfare." So my view of modern medicine is a tad more jaded than yours and I guess this is where we agree to disagree.
Mordisquitos 2y ago
"Steroids" [0] are a very broad category of organic compounds, and it is a mistake to assume that the effects of steroids used for performance enhancing and bodybuilding —anabolic steroids, themselves still a broad category [1]— have anything to do with steroids in general and the specific clinical use cases that each of them may have. Furthermore, the steroids that you are referring to are most likely corticosteroids [2], which are most certainly not prescribed to "boost your immune system" but rather to reduce the immune response when it is excessive, or even suppress it to treat autoimmune diseases. Please don't assume that off-label anabolic steroid usage is somehow safe and healthy only because modern medicine uses completely different compounds which happen to share a portion of their chemical structure for treating specific medical issues. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticosteroid
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  Technically, vitamin D is a steroid, not a vitamin. I'm not assuming it's safe. I'm merely asserting it's not as cut and dried as "steroids: bad."
  - Mordisquitos 2y ago
    You asserted that 'it's never men doing stupidly risky stuff to try to look young and beautiful', to which a commenter replied that 'steroid use is increasingly common among "hobby bodybuilders", a predominantly male demographic'. Don't you think that is an example of men doing 'stupidly risky stuff' for cosmetic reasons?
    - DoreenMichele 2y ago
      To my mind, it's a little different because bodybuilding is a form of fitness when done right. Injecting blood into the skin on your face is purely cosmetic. And I have a lot of experience with doing things that helped my health in the face of not having a proper diagnosis for nearly 36 years that other people were highly critical of, so I'm a tad skeptical that young men using steroids are all 100 percent merely being stupid and self destructive. No doubt that some are. But I feel it's more complicated than the kinds of cosmetic crap women tend to do.