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Explain more. Are you suggesting that hate cannot be a motivator for a crime? That hate cannot cause a crime to be committed that would otherwise not be committ

by yareal 2y ago

Explain more. Are you suggesting that hate cannot be a motivator for a crime? That hate cannot cause a crime to be committed that would otherwise not be committed? Or that we should not punish people who commit crimes purely out of hate any more severely than, say, out of random chance? I believe that it's patently absurd to suggest hate crimes don't exist, and ignorant of objective facts and reason, so I'd like you to explain more in case I misunderstood.

richwater 2y ago
Punishing someone more or less because of their personal justification of the crime seems batshit insane to me and how it came to pass boggles the mind. But I agree, the original comment was confusing.
itsoktocry 2y ago
>I believe that it's patently absurd to suggest hate crimes don't exist, and ignorant of objective facts and reason, so I'd like you to explain more in case I misunderstood. How do you even prove a crime was committed due to "hate"? And why is that any better or worse than a generic criminal offense?
skrbjc 2y ago
Is it a hate crime if you attack someone because you hate that they're rich? Is it a hate crime if you attack someone because you hate blue shirts and he was wearing a blue shirt that day? What exactly is a hate crime and how is it precisely defined such that it's more serious than crime in general? If you punch someone in the face vs Punch them because they are a woman vs Punch them because they are white vs Punch them because they are black vs Punch them because they are gay vs Punch them because they are a nazi vs Punch them because they are a commie Which of these is a hate crime and which is a "normal" crime. Which get punished more harshly and how to decide the motivation other than in the absolutely most obvious cases of the person confessing why they did it.
dekken_ 2y ago
> out of random chance? we already differentiate accidents to deliberate intent. intent to commit crime, kinda implies hate, so the prefix of "hate" to the word crime, is, pointless
bun_terminator 2y ago
The term is commonly used to either make a crime out of something just because of the constellation between the offender and the victim. Or to aggravate the punishment. I don't think the constellation should play any role at all. Same for other constellations that exist and modify punishment, like children being punished less (or not at all). Or drunk/drugged people getting massively less punishment. Or harassment against politicians getting punished a lot harsher. Or "sick" people being punished less or not at all. (Many of these examples only exist in my country I think). It's all abused either by the offender, the victims or third parties.

by yareal 2y ago

richwater 2y ago

Punishing someone more or less because of their personal justification of the crime seems batshit insane to me and how it came to pass boggles the mind. But I agree, the original comment was confusing.

itsoktocry 2y ago

>I believe that it's patently absurd to suggest hate crimes don't exist, and ignorant of objective facts and reason, so I'd like you to explain more in case I misunderstood. How do you even prove a crime was committed due to "hate"? And why is that any better or worse than a generic criminal offense?

skrbjc 2y ago

Is it a hate crime if you attack someone because you hate that they're rich? Is it a hate crime if you attack someone because you hate blue shirts and he was wearing a blue shirt that day? What exactly is a hate crime and how is it precisely defined such that it's more serious than crime in general? If you punch someone in the face vs Punch them because they are a woman vs Punch them because they are white vs Punch them because they are black vs Punch them because they are gay vs Punch them because they are a nazi vs Punch them because they are a commie Which of these is a hate crime and which is a "normal" crime. Which get punished more harshly and how to decide the motivation other than in the absolutely most obvious cases of the person confessing why they did it.

dekken_ 2y ago

> out of random chance? we already differentiate accidents to deliberate intent. intent to commit crime, kinda implies hate, so the prefix of "hate" to the word crime, is, pointless

bun_terminator 2y ago

The term is commonly used to either make a crime out of something just because of the constellation between the offender and the victim. Or to aggravate the punishment. I don't think the constellation should play any role at all. Same for other constellations that exist and modify punishment, like children being punished less (or not at all). Or drunk/drugged people getting massively less punishment. Or harassment against politicians getting punished a lot harsher. Or "sick" people being punished less or not at all. (Many of these examples only exist in my country I think). It's all abused either by the offender, the victims or third parties.