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I am So Disappointed with Ubuntu 24.04

32 points by vermaden 2y ago

nerdlabs 2y ago
I'm also beyond disappointed with 24. I've been clinging on to 18 for dear life for some time now. 24 is buggy as all hell.The iso was suspiciously large for an Ubuntu image, that should have been the first red flag. Nothing works correctly. I can't get a single Deb to install. The snap store just hangs on a search indefinitely. I even went and had lunch and came back . Still searching. The snap store wants to update itself but can't because it's open . Hit or miss mostly miss trying to install debs from cli ...its a polished turd. They made the ui snappy so people feel like its an improvement. I'm not a Linux master but I'm also not a noob. I've always had a really hard time getting Debian to install on raid but I'm hearing good things about 12 I'm going to give it another go because 24 is just muff cabbage. If im unable to get Debian to be agreeable perhaps I'll try 20 or 22 && maybe come back to 24 when 26 is Lts and they have some time to work on it .Push notifications. For everything, why do you need a notification that my terminal is open . Why is that even a thing why would the devs even continplate it might take so long to open a cli window that I may need to be reminded that it's finally open. Is I better the paying for window and dealing with all of the intrusive bs going on. Maybe .. if you don't have things to get done and have time to spend working on the environment enough to just be stable. Muff cabbage, clown shoes, pift and rabble
daviddever23box 2y ago
No window-dressing for legacy package formats!
teddyh 2y ago
There’s always Debian.
- Kalanos 2y ago
  if it installs
  - diffeomorphism 2y ago
    The default Debian installer includes non-free firmware nowadays, so there is basically no difference to ubuntu for that.
lukaslalinsky 2y ago
I honestly don't see a reason why should Ubuntu make it easy to install downloaded deb files. People who know the risks will just use apt on the command line. People who download random files spotify-1.2.3.deb from the internet are really better served by sandboxed snap package.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  Ubuntu is mostly aimed at the less experienced user, so it seems OK in that context. I just hope that kind of thing doesn't spread to other distros. If Debian did this, I'd be pretty irritated.
- crimsonnoodle58 2y ago
  Don't agree with this. All of googles apps come via debs (chrome, google earth, etc), as does microsofts (edge, vscode) and numerous other big name applications. They then use the deb to add their apt repository and from then on they are self updating. Deb is actually a great way of distributing an app other than via an app store, and it seems Ubuntu clearly want to kill that.
midnitewarrior 2y ago
> people who are escaping Microsoft Windows Could the author get more overly dramatic?
- drpossum 2y ago
  Do you think that's not a thing? Especially with what is going on with Windows 11?
  - midnitewarrior 2y ago
    "escape" sounds like Windows is a prison, it is not.
diffeomorphism 2y ago
That sounds like a much better experience for new users. Ideally it would simply tell users "No! Running installers from 'totally legit website' is not supported". Either add the respective repo or tell the devs to get added to the official repos. That is also a good recommendation for other OSs. If it is not on the app store, play store or in winget, it might as well not exist and you are not missing out (if it were any good, someone would have packaged it by now).
constantcrying 2y ago
Why are you disappointed? This is just obviously what canonical wants and has been continually pushing for. Also, the situations in which manually installing a .deb is a good idea are extremely rare. It just is an all around bad idea. That this is unintuitive to Windows users is true, but also an incredibly weak argument.
- a_vanderbilt 2y ago
  There are plenty of apps that I install from .deb files: Slack, Parsec, Steam, Chrome, etc. There are more, but the point is if you go on their websites and click download you get a deb package. Sure a Flatpak or a Snap would be better, but consider the audience of Ubuntu and these apps. If it isn't intuitive it's a fail. App distributors need to get on board and start shipping things that aren't Debian packages.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >There are plenty of apps that I install from .deb files: Which, again, is a terrible habit. Why you are using Chrome at all is truly confounding me > it isn't intuitive it's a fail. It shouldn't be intuitive, is is a terrible thing to do and basic UI design tells you that doing terrible things should be hard. If you lack the technical competence to correctly install a package you should NOT be using that operating system. >App distributors need to get on board and start shipping things that aren't Debian packages. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Deb package. The issue is with you downloading and installing them, which for many reasons is a terrible idea.
    - a_vanderbilt 2y ago
      An elitist attitude and inability to consider others' perspectives renders the whole conversation moot from the start. Sorry, but I won't entertain the debate when the premise is established in blind negativity.
      - constantcrying 2y ago
theandrewbailey 2y ago
I moved all my systems to Debian about a year ago. I didn't have a big problem with snaps, just kind of irritated by them, just like the MOTDs when logging in via SSH that would sometimes mysteriously change from time to time, often nagging to upgrade to Ubuntu Pro (because I was running 20.04 in 2023). I had to manually set up sudo and unattended-upgrades, otherwise in my experience and uses, Debian is Ubuntu.
- drpossum 2y ago
  > Ubuntu Pro First time I'm hearing of this and just barf
  - nerdlabs 2y ago
    They at least have the decency to have decline pro as the default option during installation
- sterwill 2y ago
  Same here. I used Debian back in the 90s, switched to Ubuntu for more regular releases, but the ads from apt were the final annoyance. Debian 12 has been excellent.
karaterobot 2y ago
> ... the so-called bug for us, the public, is most likely a feature crafted by them, Canonical folks. > Otherwise, Ubuntu developer won't say that they "didn't have capacity to work on it". What the developer actually said was they didn't have the capacity to work on it for that version, but that it would be a priority for the next cycle. Did they not read the second part of that sentence, or are they choosing to ignore it, or what?
- superkuh 2y ago
  Right, but this is an OS breaking bug. Not a desired superfluous feature. Not having capacity to work on it means they are okay with releasing a distro with OS breaking bugs; or lying. Either is a bad look.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    >Right, but this is an OS breaking bug No, it isn't. It is breaking a feature you should never use and which is actually better left broken. They should just fix it by giving a message to the user that he shouldn't do that.
    - superkuh 2y ago
      The idea that people should only install software from a walled garden is absurd. It is a smartphone-ism (re: sideloading doublespeak). I can't imagine only being able to run the few software packages available in repos. Probably a fourth of my userspace on a typical linux desktop is self compiled or debs from random places on the net.
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        Terrible way to run a system. Most distro contain all the software you need in repos. Package managers are some of the greatest thing about smartphones. It is trivial to install and keep up to date all your software. They also aren't walled gardens at all. You are free to add repos all you want. Also smartphone package manager precede desktop package managers. It just was a good idea.
Kalanos 2y ago
i wish they actually got snaps working before forcing them
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devaiops9001 2y ago
This quote below, is really fucking dumb. A GNU+Linux distribution should absolutely never ever do this. GNU+Linux is not only not Windows, it should not adopt the very stupid patterns native to the mind of a Windows user. The guy who wrote this article should fuck off back to Windows. " You ask me if it is possible to use popular tools like Chrome on Ubuntu. I say yes. Just download it from the official website and install it by double-clicking like you do it with exe files in Windows."

32 points by vermaden 2y ago

I'm also beyond disappointed with 24. I've been clinging on to 18 for dear life for some time now. 24 is buggy as all hell.The iso was suspiciously large for an Ubuntu image, that should have been the first red flag. Nothing works correctly. I can't get a single Deb to install. The snap store just hangs on a search indefinitely. I even went and had lunch and came back . Still searching. The snap store wants to update itself but can't because it's open . Hit or miss mostly miss trying to install debs from cli ...its a polished turd. They made the ui snappy so people feel like its an improvement. I'm not a Linux master but I'm also not a noob. I've always had a really hard time getting Debian to install on raid but I'm hearing good things about 12 I'm going to give it another go because 24 is just muff cabbage. If im unable to get Debian to be agreeable perhaps I'll try 20 or 22 && maybe come back to 24 when 26 is Lts and they have some time to work on it .Push notifications. For everything, why do you need a notification that my terminal is open . Why is that even a thing why would the devs even continplate it might take so long to open a cli window that I may need to be reminded that it's finally open. Is I better the paying for window and dealing with all of the intrusive bs going on. Maybe .. if you don't have things to get done and have time to spend working on the environment enough to just be stable. Muff cabbage, clown shoes, pift and rabble

daviddever23box 2y ago

No window-dressing for legacy package formats!

teddyh 2y ago

There’s always Debian.

Kalanos 2y ago
if it installs
- diffeomorphism 2y ago
  The default Debian installer includes non-free firmware nowadays, so there is basically no difference to ubuntu for that.

lukaslalinsky 2y ago

I honestly don't see a reason why should Ubuntu make it easy to install downloaded deb files. People who know the risks will just use apt on the command line. People who download random files spotify-1.2.3.deb from the internet are really better served by sandboxed snap package.

JohnFen 2y ago
Ubuntu is mostly aimed at the less experienced user, so it seems OK in that context. I just hope that kind of thing doesn't spread to other distros. If Debian did this, I'd be pretty irritated.
crimsonnoodle58 2y ago
Don't agree with this. All of googles apps come via debs (chrome, google earth, etc), as does microsofts (edge, vscode) and numerous other big name applications. They then use the deb to add their apt repository and from then on they are self updating. Deb is actually a great way of distributing an app other than via an app store, and it seems Ubuntu clearly want to kill that.

midnitewarrior 2y ago

> people who are escaping Microsoft Windows Could the author get more overly dramatic?

drpossum 2y ago
Do you think that's not a thing? Especially with what is going on with Windows 11?
- midnitewarrior 2y ago
  "escape" sounds like Windows is a prison, it is not.

diffeomorphism 2y ago

That sounds like a much better experience for new users. Ideally it would simply tell users "No! Running installers from 'totally legit website' is not supported". Either add the respective repo or tell the devs to get added to the official repos. That is also a good recommendation for other OSs. If it is not on the app store, play store or in winget, it might as well not exist and you are not missing out (if it were any good, someone would have packaged it by now).

constantcrying 2y ago

Why are you disappointed? This is just obviously what canonical wants and has been continually pushing for. Also, the situations in which manually installing a .deb is a good idea are extremely rare. It just is an all around bad idea. That this is unintuitive to Windows users is true, but also an incredibly weak argument.

a_vanderbilt 2y ago
There are plenty of apps that I install from .deb files: Slack, Parsec, Steam, Chrome, etc. There are more, but the point is if you go on their websites and click download you get a deb package. Sure a Flatpak or a Snap would be better, but consider the audience of Ubuntu and these apps. If it isn't intuitive it's a fail. App distributors need to get on board and start shipping things that aren't Debian packages.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >There are plenty of apps that I install from .deb files: Which, again, is a terrible habit. Why you are using Chrome at all is truly confounding me > it isn't intuitive it's a fail. It shouldn't be intuitive, is is a terrible thing to do and basic UI design tells you that doing terrible things should be hard. If you lack the technical competence to correctly install a package you should NOT be using that operating system. >App distributors need to get on board and start shipping things that aren't Debian packages. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Deb package. The issue is with you downloading and installing them, which for many reasons is a terrible idea.
  - a_vanderbilt 2y ago
    An elitist attitude and inability to consider others' perspectives renders the whole conversation moot from the start. Sorry, but I won't entertain the debate when the premise is established in blind negativity.
    - constantcrying 2y ago

theandrewbailey 2y ago

I moved all my systems to Debian about a year ago. I didn't have a big problem with snaps, just kind of irritated by them, just like the MOTDs when logging in via SSH that would sometimes mysteriously change from time to time, often nagging to upgrade to Ubuntu Pro (because I was running 20.04 in 2023). I had to manually set up sudo and unattended-upgrades, otherwise in my experience and uses, Debian is Ubuntu.

drpossum 2y ago
> Ubuntu Pro First time I'm hearing of this and just barf
- nerdlabs 2y ago
  They at least have the decency to have decline pro as the default option during installation
sterwill 2y ago
Same here. I used Debian back in the 90s, switched to Ubuntu for more regular releases, but the ads from apt were the final annoyance. Debian 12 has been excellent.

karaterobot 2y ago

> ... the so-called bug for us, the public, is most likely a feature crafted by them, Canonical folks. > Otherwise, Ubuntu developer won't say that they "didn't have capacity to work on it". What the developer actually said was they didn't have the capacity to work on it for that version, but that it would be a priority for the next cycle. Did they not read the second part of that sentence, or are they choosing to ignore it, or what?

superkuh 2y ago
Right, but this is an OS breaking bug. Not a desired superfluous feature. Not having capacity to work on it means they are okay with releasing a distro with OS breaking bugs; or lying. Either is a bad look.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >Right, but this is an OS breaking bug No, it isn't. It is breaking a feature you should never use and which is actually better left broken. They should just fix it by giving a message to the user that he shouldn't do that.
  - superkuh 2y ago
    The idea that people should only install software from a walled garden is absurd. It is a smartphone-ism (re: sideloading doublespeak). I can't imagine only being able to run the few software packages available in repos. Probably a fourth of my userspace on a typical linux desktop is self compiled or debs from random places on the net.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Terrible way to run a system. Most distro contain all the software you need in repos. Package managers are some of the greatest thing about smartphones. It is trivial to install and keep up to date all your software. They also aren't walled gardens at all. You are free to add repos all you want. Also smartphone package manager precede desktop package managers. It just was a good idea.

Kalanos 2y ago

i wish they actually got snaps working before forcing them

deleted 2y ago

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devaiops9001 2y ago

This quote below, is really fucking dumb. A GNU+Linux distribution should absolutely never ever do this. GNU+Linux is not only not Windows, it should not adopt the very stupid patterns native to the mind of a Windows user. The guy who wrote this article should fuck off back to Windows. " You ask me if it is possible to use popular tools like Chrome on Ubuntu. I say yes. Just download it from the official website and install it by double-clicking like you do it with exe files in Windows."