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People shouldn't have their data sold without consent to any third party. In fact, they shouldn't have their data collected by any party involved without consen

People shouldn't have their data sold without consent to any third party. In fact, they shouldn't have their data collected by any party involved without consent. If the insurance companies want to offer those tracking devices that change your rates up and down - that's fair game, otherwise they should shove off.

paulryanrogers 3y ago
Consent will be laundered through fine print in contracts so long it takes hours or days to read and comprehend every implication. Perhaps there should be some standard EULAs much like there are standard FOSS licenses.
- sickofparadox 3y ago
  Seems like the EU is getting pretty close to how it should be: You need to inform the user about the potential data being collected and then get affirmative consent from the user that is not baked into requirements to use the product.
- teeray 3y ago
  The live entertainment industry had an interesting solution: the standard rider. You can put whatever nonsense you want in the contract, but the standard rider spells out what is important to the buyer (and the rider is controlling). It could be that as a condition of agreement to the sales contract, the seller agrees to the buyer’s rider that includes privacy protection and liability for the sale of data.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  "Consent" given through fine print isn't actually consent in any meaningful use of the word. The law doesn't agree, and that's a problem. I don't think a standard EULA really addresses the issue. A big part of the issue is that for consent to be meaningful, you need to be informed clearly and completely exactly what you're being asked to consent to, including exactly how your data will be used and who it will be shared with. It would be hard to standardize that. I don't think I've ever seen a EULA the actually gave the information needed for informed consent.

paulryanrogers 3y ago

Consent will be laundered through fine print in contracts so long it takes hours or days to read and comprehend every implication. Perhaps there should be some standard EULAs much like there are standard FOSS licenses.

sickofparadox 3y ago
Seems like the EU is getting pretty close to how it should be: You need to inform the user about the potential data being collected and then get affirmative consent from the user that is not baked into requirements to use the product.
teeray 3y ago
The live entertainment industry had an interesting solution: the standard rider. You can put whatever nonsense you want in the contract, but the standard rider spells out what is important to the buyer (and the rider is controlling). It could be that as a condition of agreement to the sales contract, the seller agrees to the buyer’s rider that includes privacy protection and liability for the sale of data.
JohnFen 3y ago
"Consent" given through fine print isn't actually consent in any meaningful use of the word. The law doesn't agree, and that's a problem. I don't think a standard EULA really addresses the issue. A big part of the issue is that for consent to be meaningful, you need to be informed clearly and completely exactly what you're being asked to consent to, including exactly how your data will be used and who it will be shared with. It would be hard to standardize that. I don't think I've ever seen a EULA the actually gave the information needed for informed consent.