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I don't see that calling people "morons" or their work "garbage" as being that ambiguous.

by xaa 14y ago

ZenPsycho 14y ago
exactly
1SaltwaterC 14y ago
There's a lot of ambiguity in your comment alone by taking things out of their context. "Git comes with a nice pull-request generation module, but github instead decided to replace it with their own totally inferior version. As a result, I consider github useless for these kinds of things. It's fine for hosting, but the pull requests and the online commit editing, are just pure garbage." If you think github people can school Linus at git usage, you're being delusional. There's a reason for that. The "moron" thing was targeted at a troll that deleted his comments. The "moron" comment starts with "Btw, Joseph". Now comes the 1000 points question: where's this Joseph fella in that thread? I've seen the original discussion before the troll deleted his comments. Did you?
- xaa 14y ago
  If these were isolated incidents, I'd agree with you. We should give Linus the benefit of the doubt because of his substantial contributions to OSS. Unfortunately, this behavior is very well established. To take a few random examples of Linus calling people morons (and mentally diseased, etc) before this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2007-06/msg00084.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2007-06/m... https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5 https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCY... http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/hibernation.html http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/hibernation.html https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/1/12/13 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/1/12/13 The point at issue here is not whether Linus is right. Of course he's probably right -- he's Linus. The question is whether he's being civil. In the case you're referring to, pirtlj's comment was also out of line (although ironically apt to this whole discussion). Linus however did not have to respond the way he did.

I don't see that calling people "morons" or their work "garbage" as being that ambiguous.

by xaa 14y ago

I don't see that calling people "morons" or their work "garbage" as being that ambiguous.

ZenPsycho 14y ago

exactly

1SaltwaterC 14y ago

There's a lot of ambiguity in your comment alone by taking things out of their context. "Git comes with a nice pull-request generation module, but github instead decided to replace it with their own totally inferior version. As a result, I consider github useless for these kinds of things. It's fine for hosting, but the pull requests and the online commit editing, are just pure garbage." If you think github people can school Linus at git usage, you're being delusional. There's a reason for that. The "moron" thing was targeted at a troll that deleted his comments. The "moron" comment starts with "Btw, Joseph". Now comes the 1000 points question: where's this Joseph fella in that thread? I've seen the original discussion before the troll deleted his comments. Did you?

xaa 14y ago
If these were isolated incidents, I'd agree with you. We should give Linus the benefit of the doubt because of his substantial contributions to OSS. Unfortunately, this behavior is very well established. To take a few random examples of Linus calling people morons (and mentally diseased, etc) before this: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2007-06/msg00084.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2007-06/m... https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCYpi5 https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/1vyfmNCY... http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/hibernation.html http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/hibernation.html https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/1/12/13 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/1/12/13 The point at issue here is not whether Linus is right. Of course he's probably right -- he's Linus. The question is whether he's being civil. In the case you're referring to, pirtlj's comment was also out of line (although ironically apt to this whole discussion). Linus however did not have to respond the way he did.