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You didn't read Gorgias, you read a wikipedia/summary. I don't want to hear that "REPUBLIC is better". It isnt. "The Republic" was easier to get people's hands

You didn't read Gorgias, you read a wikipedia/summary. I don't want to hear that "REPUBLIC is better". It isnt. "The Republic" was easier to get people's hands on. The logic isnt sound, the character in-favor of might based justice was a comedic relief. Callicles has genuine arguments in favor of reality. Anyway, that was funny how you didn't read Gorgias, but you read a summary, and told me that I was wrong with a point that is a mere blip in the dialog.

hilbert42 3y ago
"You didn't read Gorgias, you read a wikipedia/summary." Sorry, it was part of our work dealing with logic, argument, and rhetoric in the Greek tradition in the late 1970s well before Wiki and the Web even existed. (I wish I'd had the Web back then, it would have made study much easier). Unfortunately, it's this kind of negative discussion that those who criticize Philosophy latch onto to discredit the subject. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Why are you so upset that someone could actually disagree with you? Incidentally, why did you say that I said you were wrong when I never said any such thing? I could proceed to debate that you are deliberately taking the sophist's line to buy an argument but I've said enough already.
- resource_waste 3y ago
  You read it 40 years ago? You didn't remember anything or have any takeaways, so you read the wikipedia article, was dismissive then got defensive. Idk, it seems faux-intellectual when you read a wikipedia page and copypaste a minor point of contention irrelevant to the topic and declare it 'no big deal'. The fact that you mention sophists, mean you are way out of your element. OH! You read some plato as a college kid! I'm talking to someone who is pretending they read plato under their own free will. Heck, you never even read Gorgias! Wow detective work huh
  - hilbert42 3y ago
    1. With respect, you haven't answered my questions. 2. I have a personal library of over two hundred physical books on philosophy including most of my original textbooks. I'm unsure of the number of ebooks but it would much fewer than that. 3. Unfortunately, my Greek is limited to only a few words so my copies of Gorgias, Phaedrus and others are in English—translation Jowett. You seem so knowledgeable about the subject presumably you read your copy untranslated. 4. Tell me about yourself. Presumably you lecture at some university in philosophy.
    - resource_waste 2y ago
      >my Greek is limited to only a few words so my copies of Gorgias, Phaedrus and others are in English—translation Jowett. Lol europeans and their idealism. Your purity doesnt matter. Check out my GDP

hilbert42 3y ago

"You didn't read Gorgias, you read a wikipedia/summary." Sorry, it was part of our work dealing with logic, argument, and rhetoric in the Greek tradition in the late 1970s well before Wiki and the Web even existed. (I wish I'd had the Web back then, it would have made study much easier). Unfortunately, it's this kind of negative discussion that those who criticize Philosophy latch onto to discredit the subject. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Why are you so upset that someone could actually disagree with you? Incidentally, why did you say that I said you were wrong when I never said any such thing? I could proceed to debate that you are deliberately taking the sophist's line to buy an argument but I've said enough already.

resource_waste 3y ago
You read it 40 years ago? You didn't remember anything or have any takeaways, so you read the wikipedia article, was dismissive then got defensive. Idk, it seems faux-intellectual when you read a wikipedia page and copypaste a minor point of contention irrelevant to the topic and declare it 'no big deal'. The fact that you mention sophists, mean you are way out of your element. OH! You read some plato as a college kid! I'm talking to someone who is pretending they read plato under their own free will. Heck, you never even read Gorgias! Wow detective work huh
- hilbert42 3y ago
  1. With respect, you haven't answered my questions. 2. I have a personal library of over two hundred physical books on philosophy including most of my original textbooks. I'm unsure of the number of ebooks but it would much fewer than that. 3. Unfortunately, my Greek is limited to only a few words so my copies of Gorgias, Phaedrus and others are in English—translation Jowett. You seem so knowledgeable about the subject presumably you read your copy untranslated. 4. Tell me about yourself. Presumably you lecture at some university in philosophy.
  - resource_waste 2y ago
    >my Greek is limited to only a few words so my copies of Gorgias, Phaedrus and others are in English—translation Jowett. Lol europeans and their idealism. Your purity doesnt matter. Check out my GDP