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Windows are not bad if you have control over them. But in corp env, you don't and the force updates, AV, FW, extra AV scans and other monitoring shit so even wi

by fx1994 2y ago

Windows are not bad if you have control over them. But in corp env, you don't and the force updates, AV, FW, extra AV scans and other monitoring shit so even with 32 GB of RAM, fast SSD and latest i7 PC would start to act like it's Win98. That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great.

hu3 2y ago
About FW and AV scans, doesn't macOS phone home when you execute programs? I remember some problem with programs hanging and/or slow to start because the phoning home functionality was having issues. edit: yep, it does https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-phone-home-to-apples-servers-before-running-an-app-for-the-first-tim https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-...
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  It does phone home yes, but people pretend it doesn't and only Windows is evil when it does so. At least it doesn't have ads.
  - NBJack 2y ago
    Not yet. But rest assured, they are just getting started. I know of one theory that suggests ATT was really just Apple preparing to launch its own Ads network. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/
sofixa 2y ago
> That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great. Unless you work at an org that has all this stuff, like pretty much any org at scale that has compliance or security requirements. My work-issued MacBook has an AV that slows opening everything, forces updates and restarts and all that jazz.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  Same. Our corporate-issue MBPs come with managed policies, AV software, and remote control services (remote wipe, lockout). It's why I'm never tempted to use work equipment for personal use. I guess our org has chosen better management software, though, because it never results in restarts. The one exception is the requirement to keep the OS patched in order to log in to corporate systems. The window position thing is really annoying though.
NBJack 2y ago
To be fair, that's only in part because Apple doesn't seem to have the level of device management Windows offers. Many of the solutions I've seen in the corp environment try to make up for this with some frankly janky solutions. Apple seems to be slowly improving that, but give it time. But at the end of the day, the crappy performance hits I've seen on both kinds kf devices are generally shitty monitoring solutions and restrictions that neither support natively.
nikau 2y ago
This is where 'not corporate endorsed but tolerated' wsl2 is awesome, everything inside the vm is not scanned or slowed down by all the security crap.

by fx1994 2y ago

hu3 2y ago

About FW and AV scans, doesn't macOS phone home when you execute programs? I remember some problem with programs hanging and/or slow to start because the phoning home functionality was having issues. edit: yep, it does https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-phone-home-to-apples-servers-before-running-an-app-for-the-first-tim https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-...

Rinzler89 2y ago
It does phone home yes, but people pretend it doesn't and only Windows is evil when it does so. At least it doesn't have ads.
- NBJack 2y ago
  Not yet. But rest assured, they are just getting started. I know of one theory that suggests ATT was really just Apple preparing to launch its own Ads network. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/

sofixa 2y ago

> That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great. Unless you work at an org that has all this stuff, like pretty much any org at scale that has compliance or security requirements. My work-issued MacBook has an AV that slows opening everything, forces updates and restarts and all that jazz.

slowmovintarget 2y ago
Same. Our corporate-issue MBPs come with managed policies, AV software, and remote control services (remote wipe, lockout). It's why I'm never tempted to use work equipment for personal use. I guess our org has chosen better management software, though, because it never results in restarts. The one exception is the requirement to keep the OS patched in order to log in to corporate systems. The window position thing is really annoying though.

NBJack 2y ago

To be fair, that's only in part because Apple doesn't seem to have the level of device management Windows offers. Many of the solutions I've seen in the corp environment try to make up for this with some frankly janky solutions. Apple seems to be slowly improving that, but give it time. But at the end of the day, the crappy performance hits I've seen on both kinds kf devices are generally shitty monitoring solutions and restrictions that neither support natively.

nikau 2y ago

This is where 'not corporate endorsed but tolerated' wsl2 is awesome, everything inside the vm is not scanned or slowed down by all the security crap.