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Will this be the case when/if books become largely written with the help of AI? Let alone when AI start writing the books themselves.

by wddkcs 2y ago

smeej 2y ago
It's an interesting question, but I don't think the models are trained to be spoken-language first like humans are. I think we all ("we" meaning "people who communicate by speaking," because I'm less sure if this would be true of sign languages) inherently think of writing as a somewhat lossy graphical representation of speech (which is itself an extremely lossy form of telepathy). But the LLMs don't, do they? If anything, they're written-first, or even on some deep level, binary-first. I don't think what they write even has "a way they meant the words to be emphasized in speech."
- wddkcs 2y ago
  Seems like a lot of guessing. I'm not convinced AI aren't "thinking" in the same manner we are. Eventually we'll have models trained on speech only, or modes of expression we can't fathom. Humans have no moat.
  - jilijeanlouis 2y ago
    +1000
  - smeej 2y ago
    I wonder if AIs would even decide to do things in the same way we do. Most of what humans do has come from generations of having to operate within constraints that change over time. AI gets to leapfrog those constraints for a whole different kind. Why would we assume what comes from them will even aspire to "being like humans"? The number of reasons AIs might not add the same things to an audio version of a book (the context we're talking about in this thread) is essentially infinite. It seems vastly more likely that they won't add what the author adds than that they will. Humanity may not have a moat, but each individual human does, especially when it comes to art, where I'd include writing.
    - wddkcs 2y ago
      If humans have unique capabilities individually, we would have them collectively as well. I have yet to see a single argument that any biological process can't be replicated or synthesized. Until there is such an argument, it's special pleading. I can't say anything an an AIs aspirations, but that fact that we're imbuing them with all of our collective data, means they will be skewed to perceive the world similarly us, at least initially.
nilsherzig 2y ago
There already are a lot of ai generated books on Amazon Kindle. Especially books for children (which require less text) are popular. I think that's a big problem, since LLMs are pretty good at imitating the style (good enough to fool a potential buyer) but don't seem to build the story on some sort of good message for the child.

Will this be the case when/if books become largely written with the help of AI? Let alone when AI start writing the books themselves.

by wddkcs 2y ago

Will this be the case when/if books become largely written with the help of AI? Let alone when AI start writing the books themselves.

smeej 2y ago

It's an interesting question, but I don't think the models are trained to be spoken-language first like humans are. I think we all ("we" meaning "people who communicate by speaking," because I'm less sure if this would be true of sign languages) inherently think of writing as a somewhat lossy graphical representation of speech (which is itself an extremely lossy form of telepathy). But the LLMs don't, do they? If anything, they're written-first, or even on some deep level, binary-first. I don't think what they write even has "a way they meant the words to be emphasized in speech."

wddkcs 2y ago
Seems like a lot of guessing. I'm not convinced AI aren't "thinking" in the same manner we are. Eventually we'll have models trained on speech only, or modes of expression we can't fathom. Humans have no moat.
- jilijeanlouis 2y ago
  +1000
- smeej 2y ago
  I wonder if AIs would even decide to do things in the same way we do. Most of what humans do has come from generations of having to operate within constraints that change over time. AI gets to leapfrog those constraints for a whole different kind. Why would we assume what comes from them will even aspire to "being like humans"? The number of reasons AIs might not add the same things to an audio version of a book (the context we're talking about in this thread) is essentially infinite. It seems vastly more likely that they won't add what the author adds than that they will. Humanity may not have a moat, but each individual human does, especially when it comes to art, where I'd include writing.
  - wddkcs 2y ago
    If humans have unique capabilities individually, we would have them collectively as well. I have yet to see a single argument that any biological process can't be replicated or synthesized. Until there is such an argument, it's special pleading. I can't say anything an an AIs aspirations, but that fact that we're imbuing them with all of our collective data, means they will be skewed to perceive the world similarly us, at least initially.

nilsherzig 2y ago

There already are a lot of ai generated books on Amazon Kindle. Especially books for children (which require less text) are popular. I think that's a big problem, since LLMs are pretty good at imitating the style (good enough to fool a potential buyer) but don't seem to build the story on some sort of good message for the child.