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> General OS slowness and instability and clunky design not so much. I can't tell whether you're talking about Windows or Mac here

fx1994 2y ago
Windows are not bad if you have control over them. But in corp env, you don't and the force updates, AV, FW, extra AV scans and other monitoring shit so even with 32 GB of RAM, fast SSD and latest i7 PC would start to act like it's Win98. That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great.
- hu3 2y ago
  About FW and AV scans, doesn't macOS phone home when you execute programs? I remember some problem with programs hanging and/or slow to start because the phoning home functionality was having issues. edit: yep, it does https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-phone-home-to-apples-servers-before-running-an-app-for-the-first-tim https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-...
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    It does phone home yes, but people pretend it doesn't and only Windows is evil when it does so. At least it doesn't have ads.
    - NBJack 2y ago
      Not yet. But rest assured, they are just getting started. I know of one theory that suggests ATT was really just Apple preparing to launch its own Ads network. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/
- sofixa 2y ago
  > That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great. Unless you work at an org that has all this stuff, like pretty much any org at scale that has compliance or security requirements. My work-issued MacBook has an AV that slows opening everything, forces updates and restarts and all that jazz.
  - slowmovintarget 2y ago
    Same. Our corporate-issue MBPs come with managed policies, AV software, and remote control services (remote wipe, lockout). It's why I'm never tempted to use work equipment for personal use. I guess our org has chosen better management software, though, because it never results in restarts. The one exception is the requirement to keep the OS patched in order to log in to corporate systems. The window position thing is really annoying though.
- NBJack 2y ago
  To be fair, that's only in part because Apple doesn't seem to have the level of device management Windows offers. Many of the solutions I've seen in the corp environment try to make up for this with some frankly janky solutions. Apple seems to be slowly improving that, but give it time. But at the end of the day, the crappy performance hits I've seen on both kinds kf devices are generally shitty monitoring solutions and restrictions that neither support natively.
- nikau 2y ago
  This is where 'not corporate endorsed but tolerated' wsl2 is awesome, everything inside the vm is not scanned or slowed down by all the security crap.
baq 2y ago
My WindowServer is sitting at 30% CPU and 15% GPU on an M1 MacBook Pro and I have no idea why. I reboot the Mac more often than I rebooted my dogshit HP enterprise laptop. MacOS is just a bad OS. It's good if you only ever use the MacBook as a laptop, but the moment you hook it up to a useful setup, it becomes a drag.
- whynotminot 2y ago
  Did you ever consider there might be something wrong with your machine or some piece of software you’ve installed? Or do you think the rest of the world that has heaped praise on the Apple Silicon Macs has missed something you’ve seen?
  - baq 2y ago
    I blame this on trying to use non-Apple hardware with the MacBook. I'm sure if I had an Apple Display instead of a g-sync 165Hz-capable monitor and closed the lid when hooked up everything would be... perhaps not fine, but good enough. The macbook is amazing when considered in isolation. Trying to use it in a workstation setting is definitely 'holding it wrong', which drives me nuts. Wasted potential and definitely undeserving of the 'Pro' moniker.
    - whynotminot 2y ago
      I use it in a workstation setting. Two workstation settings in fact. I dock at home into a dual monitor setup. I go to work and dock into a dual monitor setup. I keep my MacBook open, not closed. Pretty much all my coworkers do the same. All with Apple silicon MacBook pros. No idea what you’re talking about. I believe you — I just think you need to do a deeper dive into your kit instead of assuming the rest of the world must be wrong about these machines.
      - yareal 2y ago
        Huge plus one. I too bounce between environments with my MacBook. Never experienced any of the issues the gp describes, which to me sounds like something wrong with that device. Is it a Corp managed device?

fx1994 2y ago

Windows are not bad if you have control over them. But in corp env, you don't and the force updates, AV, FW, extra AV scans and other monitoring shit so even with 32 GB of RAM, fast SSD and latest i7 PC would start to act like it's Win98. That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great.

hu3 2y ago
About FW and AV scans, doesn't macOS phone home when you execute programs? I remember some problem with programs hanging and/or slow to start because the phoning home functionality was having issues. edit: yep, it does https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-phone-home-to-apples-servers-before-running-an-app-for-the-first-tim https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/391379/does-macos-...
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  It does phone home yes, but people pretend it doesn't and only Windows is evil when it does so. At least it doesn't have ads.
  - NBJack 2y ago
    Not yet. But rest assured, they are just getting started. I know of one theory that suggests ATT was really just Apple preparing to launch its own Ads network. https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-is-an-ad-company-now/
sofixa 2y ago
> That's why I switch to Mac M2, zero corporate shit and total control so it works great. Unless you work at an org that has all this stuff, like pretty much any org at scale that has compliance or security requirements. My work-issued MacBook has an AV that slows opening everything, forces updates and restarts and all that jazz.
- slowmovintarget 2y ago
  Same. Our corporate-issue MBPs come with managed policies, AV software, and remote control services (remote wipe, lockout). It's why I'm never tempted to use work equipment for personal use. I guess our org has chosen better management software, though, because it never results in restarts. The one exception is the requirement to keep the OS patched in order to log in to corporate systems. The window position thing is really annoying though.
NBJack 2y ago
To be fair, that's only in part because Apple doesn't seem to have the level of device management Windows offers. Many of the solutions I've seen in the corp environment try to make up for this with some frankly janky solutions. Apple seems to be slowly improving that, but give it time. But at the end of the day, the crappy performance hits I've seen on both kinds kf devices are generally shitty monitoring solutions and restrictions that neither support natively.
nikau 2y ago
This is where 'not corporate endorsed but tolerated' wsl2 is awesome, everything inside the vm is not scanned or slowed down by all the security crap.

baq 2y ago

My WindowServer is sitting at 30% CPU and 15% GPU on an M1 MacBook Pro and I have no idea why. I reboot the Mac more often than I rebooted my dogshit HP enterprise laptop. MacOS is just a bad OS. It's good if you only ever use the MacBook as a laptop, but the moment you hook it up to a useful setup, it becomes a drag.

whynotminot 2y ago
Did you ever consider there might be something wrong with your machine or some piece of software you’ve installed? Or do you think the rest of the world that has heaped praise on the Apple Silicon Macs has missed something you’ve seen?
- baq 2y ago
  I blame this on trying to use non-Apple hardware with the MacBook. I'm sure if I had an Apple Display instead of a g-sync 165Hz-capable monitor and closed the lid when hooked up everything would be... perhaps not fine, but good enough. The macbook is amazing when considered in isolation. Trying to use it in a workstation setting is definitely 'holding it wrong', which drives me nuts. Wasted potential and definitely undeserving of the 'Pro' moniker.
  - whynotminot 2y ago
    I use it in a workstation setting. Two workstation settings in fact. I dock at home into a dual monitor setup. I go to work and dock into a dual monitor setup. I keep my MacBook open, not closed. Pretty much all my coworkers do the same. All with Apple silicon MacBook pros. No idea what you’re talking about. I believe you — I just think you need to do a deeper dive into your kit instead of assuming the rest of the world must be wrong about these machines.
    - yareal 2y ago
      Huge plus one. I too bounce between environments with my MacBook. Never experienced any of the issues the gp describes, which to me sounds like something wrong with that device. Is it a Corp managed device?