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Read the headline and instantly thought "it's either the UK or Canada".

by jalapenos 2y ago

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robertlagrant 2y ago
Scotland or Canada. Must be something about being a northern neighbour.
- logicchains 2y ago
  Or having really awful weather.
- petre 2y ago
  The guy is an Indian refugee from Uganda, where his family were expelled out of by Idi Amin because of ethnicity and religion. So somebody who has witnessed discrimnation and racism at a young age. When such an individual with childhood trauma finds himself in charge of the justice portofolio in a socialist government calling themselves liberals, what you get is Pre-hate-crime.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    That's a tragedy, but to your point I'm reminded of the Mitchell and Webb sketch where a man is interviewed on his opinions about a safety system not being installed, and he keeps trying to insist that his views are extremely biased as his wife's life would've been saved by such a system[0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98CWbGG2DJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98CWbGG2DJ0 [video]
sokoloff 2y ago
Me too, but only because we don't call them Ministers in the US. (I could see this happening in parts of the US as well, but the headline would be worded differently.)
ClassyJacket 2y ago
Thought it was Scotland from the title
throwaway48476 2y ago
Don't forget australia.
fransje26 2y ago
What is it about the Anglo-Saxon system that absolutely pushes for this type of dystopian laws? At random intervals such proposals are made, or such laws are pushed, and you know from the headline, or the approach that it's going to be the UK, Canada, or Australia. (We'll leave out the US, where the problem is of an other scale.) What is it that drives lawmakers and politicians to unbashfully push forward more and more liberticidal and dystopian laws, as if it was the most natural thing in the world? I'm fully aware that some lawmakers in other "democratic" countries are dreaming of doing exactly the same, but most of them wouldn't dare to bring it up so forwardly.
- skrbjc 2y ago
  >Anglo-Saxon >Arif Virani
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  There's nothing Anglo-Saxon about it. Similar things are appearing all over the western world. And they are absolutely being brought up forwardly. For example, German ministers can't stop talking about banning one of their most popular political parties outright and they have the powers to do so. They also have announced plans to introduce laws that criminalize "mocking the state", including the weaponization of every aspect of the government against citizens that disagree with them, for example by revoking their local business licenses, implementing exit visa (banning people from leaving) and "depriving them of their income". This also in cases where people haven't actually done anything but are merely influential [1]: Interior Minister Nancy Faeser (SPD): "We are coming up against legal limits. At present, financial investigations are limited to incitement to hatred and violence. That is not enough. I therefore want to amend the law to ensure that the potential threat is taken into account. This involves other factors such as potential for action and social influence." Germany is hardly alone. Ireland is also introducing a draconian hate speech law. [2] The EU is investigating one of its own MEPs for hate speech after he said he thought EU policy on asylum seekers was intended to attract more migration [3] (i.e. they disagree that it's OK for politicians to express opinions on government policy). In Finland the former minister of the interior was prosecuted for her tweets [4]. She was acquitted and then the government appealed to try and get her again. The reason you think it's specific to the Anglo-Saxon world is just that those stories affect a lot of English speaking people and this is an English speaking website. Also, negative stories about the EU often get flagged here, and of course in many parts of the world like China such laws already exist for a long time. [1] https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-plans https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-p... [2] https://thecritic.co.uk/the-irish-should-reject-the-new-hate-speech-bill/ https://thecritic.co.uk/the-irish-should-reject-the-new-hate... [3] https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/word-police-flemish-mep-investigated-for-calling-eu-migration-policy-repopulation/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/word-police-f... [4] https://www.christiantoday.com/article/how-long-before-a-uk-christian-politician-gets-the-finland-treatment/140676.htm https://www.christiantoday.com/article/how-long-before-a-uk-...
brokenmachine 2y ago
I thought it would be Australia.

Read the headline and instantly thought "it's either the UK or Canada".

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robertlagrant 2y ago

Scotland or Canada. Must be something about being a northern neighbour.

logicchains 2y ago
Or having really awful weather.
petre 2y ago
The guy is an Indian refugee from Uganda, where his family were expelled out of by Idi Amin because of ethnicity and religion. So somebody who has witnessed discrimnation and racism at a young age. When such an individual with childhood trauma finds himself in charge of the justice portofolio in a socialist government calling themselves liberals, what you get is Pre-hate-crime.
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  That's a tragedy, but to your point I'm reminded of the Mitchell and Webb sketch where a man is interviewed on his opinions about a safety system not being installed, and he keeps trying to insist that his views are extremely biased as his wife's life would've been saved by such a system[0]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98CWbGG2DJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98CWbGG2DJ0 [video]

sokoloff 2y ago

Me too, but only because we don't call them Ministers in the US. (I could see this happening in parts of the US as well, but the headline would be worded differently.)

ClassyJacket 2y ago

Thought it was Scotland from the title

throwaway48476 2y ago

Don't forget australia.

fransje26 2y ago

What is it about the Anglo-Saxon system that absolutely pushes for this type of dystopian laws? At random intervals such proposals are made, or such laws are pushed, and you know from the headline, or the approach that it's going to be the UK, Canada, or Australia. (We'll leave out the US, where the problem is of an other scale.) What is it that drives lawmakers and politicians to unbashfully push forward more and more liberticidal and dystopian laws, as if it was the most natural thing in the world? I'm fully aware that some lawmakers in other "democratic" countries are dreaming of doing exactly the same, but most of them wouldn't dare to bring it up so forwardly.

skrbjc 2y ago
>Anglo-Saxon >Arif Virani
mike_hearn 2y ago
There's nothing Anglo-Saxon about it. Similar things are appearing all over the western world. And they are absolutely being brought up forwardly. For example, German ministers can't stop talking about banning one of their most popular political parties outright and they have the powers to do so. They also have announced plans to introduce laws that criminalize "mocking the state", including the weaponization of every aspect of the government against citizens that disagree with them, for example by revoking their local business licenses, implementing exit visa (banning people from leaving) and "depriving them of their income". This also in cases where people haven't actually done anything but are merely influential [1]: Interior Minister Nancy Faeser (SPD): "We are coming up against legal limits. At present, financial investigations are limited to incitement to hatred and violence. That is not enough. I therefore want to amend the law to ensure that the potential threat is taken into account. This involves other factors such as potential for action and social influence." Germany is hardly alone. Ireland is also introducing a draconian hate speech law. [2] The EU is investigating one of its own MEPs for hate speech after he said he thought EU policy on asylum seekers was intended to attract more migration [3] (i.e. they disagree that it's OK for politicians to express opinions on government policy). In Finland the former minister of the interior was prosecuted for her tweets [4]. She was acquitted and then the government appealed to try and get her again. The reason you think it's specific to the Anglo-Saxon world is just that those stories affect a lot of English speaking people and this is an English speaking website. Also, negative stories about the EU often get flagged here, and of course in many parts of the world like China such laws already exist for a long time. [1] https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-plans https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-p... [2] https://thecritic.co.uk/the-irish-should-reject-the-new-hate-speech-bill/ https://thecritic.co.uk/the-irish-should-reject-the-new-hate... [3] https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/word-police-flemish-mep-investigated-for-calling-eu-migration-policy-repopulation/ https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/word-police-f... [4] https://www.christiantoday.com/article/how-long-before-a-uk-christian-politician-gets-the-finland-treatment/140676.htm https://www.christiantoday.com/article/how-long-before-a-uk-...

brokenmachine 2y ago

I thought it would be Australia.