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At this point I'd take the feudal Lord a hundred times over any democracy, at least the feudal lord had the obligation to provide housing and a piece of land fo

At this point I'd take the feudal Lord a hundred times over any democracy, at least the feudal lord had the obligation to provide housing and a piece of land for his people/peasants, unlike democracy, which by this point is just an empty concept used to keep the current hegemonic system in place (and I could understand how come what they call democracy is still popular in places like this one here, places where people don't have to worry all that much about mortgages/paying rent)

tgv 3y ago
That's the edgy opinion of someone with no knowledge of the past.
- paganel 3y ago
  Nothing edgy about it, I think about this subject quite often, as a matter of fact. And I'll ignore the "no knowledge of the past" thing, even though a discussion around Marc Bloch's La Société féodale could be interesting (I've read it in Italian [1], what other edition/translation would have you recommended?) [1] https://www.lafeltrinelli.it/societa-feudale-libro-marc-bloch/e/9788806152536?inventoryId=4768921&queryId=5bd09c11a909dd4cfa88064b0261b706 https://www.lafeltrinelli.it/societa-feudale-libro-marc-bloc...
toyg 3y ago
Lol, this hyperbole is laughable. Feudal lords were obliged to provide shit for peasants; if such peasants rebelled, 9 times out of 10 they would be massacred on the spot. The degree of arbitrary rule they expressed is something we just lost knowledge of, in the first world; but go ask Africans or South Asians from regions infested by warlords, to get a taste. What about one day you send your daughters to school, but it's the day Mr Lord decides he needs some new sex slaves, and your daughters just disappear? What about Mr Lord needs some cannon fodder for some hopeless adventure, so he just raids your village, rapes a few women, chains you and your kids, and leads you to inevitable death? That's just Another Day in Feudalism for you.
- paganel 3y ago
  > That's just Another Day in Feudalism for you. I usually tend to forget that most of the people here have not read their history, comments like this one remind me of that. I recommend La société féodale [1] by Bloch, or the relevant volume from Histoire de la France rurale [2] [1] https://www.amazon.com/La-soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9-f%C3%A9odale/dp/2702822932 https://www.amazon.com/La-soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9-f%C3%A9odale/dp/... [2] https://www.editionspoints.com/ouvrage/histoire-de-la-france-rurale-collectif/9782757873779 https://www.editionspoints.com/ouvrage/histoire-de-la-france...
- mamonster 3y ago
  >The degree of arbitrary rule they expressed is something we just lost knowledge of, in the first world Actually, there are multiple areas in Europe that are now little different from feudal fiefdoms run by drag traffickers(13ème/15ème in Marseille comes to mind) and instead of doing anything about it politicians just pretend they don't exist.

tgv 3y ago

That's the edgy opinion of someone with no knowledge of the past.

paganel 3y ago
Nothing edgy about it, I think about this subject quite often, as a matter of fact. And I'll ignore the "no knowledge of the past" thing, even though a discussion around Marc Bloch's La Société féodale could be interesting (I've read it in Italian [1], what other edition/translation would have you recommended?) [1] https://www.lafeltrinelli.it/societa-feudale-libro-marc-bloch/e/9788806152536?inventoryId=4768921&queryId=5bd09c11a909dd4cfa88064b0261b706 https://www.lafeltrinelli.it/societa-feudale-libro-marc-bloc...

toyg 3y ago

Lol, this hyperbole is laughable. Feudal lords were obliged to provide shit for peasants; if such peasants rebelled, 9 times out of 10 they would be massacred on the spot. The degree of arbitrary rule they expressed is something we just lost knowledge of, in the first world; but go ask Africans or South Asians from regions infested by warlords, to get a taste. What about one day you send your daughters to school, but it's the day Mr Lord decides he needs some new sex slaves, and your daughters just disappear? What about Mr Lord needs some cannon fodder for some hopeless adventure, so he just raids your village, rapes a few women, chains you and your kids, and leads you to inevitable death? That's just Another Day in Feudalism for you.

paganel 3y ago
> That's just Another Day in Feudalism for you. I usually tend to forget that most of the people here have not read their history, comments like this one remind me of that. I recommend La société féodale [1] by Bloch, or the relevant volume from Histoire de la France rurale [2] [1] https://www.amazon.com/La-soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9-f%C3%A9odale/dp/2702822932 https://www.amazon.com/La-soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9-f%C3%A9odale/dp/... [2] https://www.editionspoints.com/ouvrage/histoire-de-la-france-rurale-collectif/9782757873779 https://www.editionspoints.com/ouvrage/histoire-de-la-france...
mamonster 3y ago
>The degree of arbitrary rule they expressed is something we just lost knowledge of, in the first world Actually, there are multiple areas in Europe that are now little different from feudal fiefdoms run by drag traffickers(13ème/15ème in Marseille comes to mind) and instead of doing anything about it politicians just pretend they don't exist.