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Just to get back on topic: You claim that the only people in the world who can define genocide are the very people who have perpetrated genocide after genocide

Just to get back on topic: You claim that the only people in the world who can define genocide are the very people who have perpetrated genocide after genocide against basically every other minority, now those very same people, who actively participated in the murder of millions, get to decide if some minority that they don't like is evil; that's essentially the claim you are making. Consider that maybe such people don't have any idea what they're talking about and are simply totally wrong. Consider that you wanting the Jews to be doing something evil so you can be justified in your hatred doesn't mean the Jews are doing anything wrong, it just means that you have hatred in your heart. Is it possible? You keep asking me to be curious, why don't you try being curious about why you, after only ever consuming content that paints Jews in the worst possible light, might not be capable of giving them the benefit of the doubt? Why it might be literally impossible for you to view any topic about Jews through a fair lens?

runarberg 2y ago
Never in this thread, nor anywhere else on HN, nor anywhere else do I speak generally about the Jews. In fact, when I see people doing that here on HN, I flag it. “The Jews” are not committing a genocide, they are not committing war crimes, they are not oppressing Palestinians. I don’t claim that, the UN doesn’t claim that, the only people claiming that are actual anti-Semites, and neither me, nor all pro-Palestinan people I know, want anything to do with these anti-Semites (except maybe punch them in the face). The state of Israel is committing genocide, and “The Jews” have absolutely nothing to with the state of Israel. Which ethnicity the leaders of the state of Israel has, has nothing to with the rest of the people who share that ethnicity. To be absolutely clear: The Jews have done absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, I don’t want the Jews to do anything, except continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. Now, with that out of the way. Genocide is clearly defined by the UN. It is a pretty universal and undisputed definition. Most nation (152 to be exact; see list[1]) have signed and put into law this same definition, including both Israel (in 1950) and Palestine (in 2014). This includes nations in both hemispheres, on all 6 habitable continents, of all major religion, indigenous nations, former colonies, current colonizers, countries with minority representation, majority minority nations, homogeneous nations etc. Even countries that have in the past been perpetrators and victims of genocide have signed on this definition of Genocide. I’m not making any claims here which isn’t pretty much universally accepted. And according to this definition—which is universally accepted—it has been ruled by many experts and a legal authority on the matter, that it is plausible that Israel (not the Jews) are committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza as a group. You see, I also want Palestinians in Gaza to continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. And as of now it is plausible that the state of Israel is working to deny them this existence, by committing a genocide against them. For that I do indeed hate the state of Israel, just as I hate Nazis trying to deny Jewish people the right to exist. In fact my heart is full of hatred towards the ideology of Zionism. But at the same time my heart is full of love towards Jewish people. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocide_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocid...
- nolongerthere 2y ago
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  - runarberg 2y ago
    I’m curious, what does Israel need to do before you’ll consider it criminal, how should those crimes be reported before you’ll believe them, instead of rejecting them as anti-semitic lies? As we speak people are investigating a the mass grave at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis. I’ll give you 4 pro-Zionist or pro Israel sources reporting on it[1][2][3][4] (including one which 3/4 of the news is a direct quote from the IDF[4]). The final count of bodies found in that mass-grave is 392, and all sources agree at least 200 people were burred there. The IDF claims there is no mass-grave and that the bodies were unearthed months ago. CNN (a pro-zionist newspaper) is not convinced and claims to have evidence that which counters the IDF claims[5], including evidence that some of the victims burred in their hospital gowns. There are even reports that many of the bodies show signs of torture, executions, and being buried alive[6]. There are calls for an independent investigation from all sides except the IDF (who want no investigation) and the US State Department (that wants Israel to investigate their own crimes). I’m sure there will be an investigation and it will conclude the existence of the mass grave with at least 200 victims of IDF violence (the 392 figure probably includes older bodies). I’m also sure this future independent investigation will conclude there are some evidence of torture and at least 10 victims were executed. Let’s say for the sake of argument that I’m right, and in 2 months this report comes out. Will you then simply claim that the independent investigation was conducted by Jew-haters and is not based in reality? 1: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser-hospital-mass-grave-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mas... 3: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68881325 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68881325 4: https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798351 https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798351 5: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-ma... 6: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-hospitals-raided-israel-prompt-demands-independ-rcna149110 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-ho...

runarberg 2y ago

Never in this thread, nor anywhere else on HN, nor anywhere else do I speak generally about the Jews. In fact, when I see people doing that here on HN, I flag it. “The Jews” are not committing a genocide, they are not committing war crimes, they are not oppressing Palestinians. I don’t claim that, the UN doesn’t claim that, the only people claiming that are actual anti-Semites, and neither me, nor all pro-Palestinan people I know, want anything to do with these anti-Semites (except maybe punch them in the face). The state of Israel is committing genocide, and “The Jews” have absolutely nothing to with the state of Israel. Which ethnicity the leaders of the state of Israel has, has nothing to with the rest of the people who share that ethnicity. To be absolutely clear: The Jews have done absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, I don’t want the Jews to do anything, except continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. Now, with that out of the way. Genocide is clearly defined by the UN. It is a pretty universal and undisputed definition. Most nation (152 to be exact; see list[1]) have signed and put into law this same definition, including both Israel (in 1950) and Palestine (in 2014). This includes nations in both hemispheres, on all 6 habitable continents, of all major religion, indigenous nations, former colonies, current colonizers, countries with minority representation, majority minority nations, homogeneous nations etc. Even countries that have in the past been perpetrators and victims of genocide have signed on this definition of Genocide. I’m not making any claims here which isn’t pretty much universally accepted. And according to this definition—which is universally accepted—it has been ruled by many experts and a legal authority on the matter, that it is plausible that Israel (not the Jews) are committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza as a group. You see, I also want Palestinians in Gaza to continue to exist and share their amazing culture with the rest of the world. And as of now it is plausible that the state of Israel is working to deny them this existence, by committing a genocide against them. For that I do indeed hate the state of Israel, just as I hate Nazis trying to deny Jewish people the right to exist. In fact my heart is full of hatred towards the ideology of Zionism. But at the same time my heart is full of love towards Jewish people. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocide_Convention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Genocid...

nolongerthere 2y ago
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- runarberg 2y ago
  I’m curious, what does Israel need to do before you’ll consider it criminal, how should those crimes be reported before you’ll believe them, instead of rejecting them as anti-semitic lies? As we speak people are investigating a the mass grave at Nasser hospital in Khan Younis. I’ll give you 4 pro-Zionist or pro Israel sources reporting on it[1][2][3][4] (including one which 3/4 of the news is a direct quote from the IDF[4]). The final count of bodies found in that mass-grave is 392, and all sources agree at least 200 people were burred there. The IDF claims there is no mass-grave and that the bodies were unearthed months ago. CNN (a pro-zionist newspaper) is not convinced and claims to have evidence that which counters the IDF claims[5], including evidence that some of the victims burred in their hospital gowns. There are even reports that many of the bodies show signs of torture, executions, and being buried alive[6]. There are calls for an independent investigation from all sides except the IDF (who want no investigation) and the US State Department (that wants Israel to investigate their own crimes). I’m sure there will be an investigation and it will conclude the existence of the mass grave with at least 200 victims of IDF violence (the 392 figure probably includes older bodies). I’m also sure this future independent investigation will conclude there are some evidence of torture and at least 10 victims were executed. Let’s say for the sake of argument that I’m right, and in 2 months this report comes out. Will you then simply claim that the independent investigation was conducted by Jew-haters and is not based in reality? 1: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser-hospital-mass-grave-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/middleeast/khan-younis-nasser... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mas... 3: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68881325 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68881325 4: https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798351 https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-798351 5: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-ma... 6: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-hospitals-raided-israel-prompt-demands-independ-rcna149110 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-ho...