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Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.

by lupire 3y ago

busterarm 3y ago
The irony of this being Arizona we're talking about and the significant contribution of illegal immigrants to the state economy.
- stavros 3y ago
  Why is that ironic? Of course nobody will care about stopping labor trafficking if it benefits them.
  - vuln 3y ago
    > Of course nobody will care about stopping labor trafficking if it benefits them Same with sex work it seems.
    - verve_rat 3y ago
      Sex work <> sex trafficking.
      - Nasrudith 3y ago
        Yes, but casting anti-sex work measures as anti-sex trafficking measures has long been the propaganda norm.
    - lazide 3y ago
      The issue is that unlike cheap gardeners, where most of the population benefits and a small portion of the population loses (‘native’ gardeners - probably just a couple % of the labor force), approx. 51% of the population ‘loses’ with cheap sex work. Which is why, in almost every jurisdiction, prostitution is illegal. But since approx. 49% of the population ‘wins’, it is also why it still happens, just where it isn’t obvious.
      - yieldcrv 3y ago
        why does 51% of the population 'lose' with cheap sex work? I'm not understand what is unsaid here or is being assumed to have a shared understanding.
        lazide 3y ago
        The vast majority of customers for sex workers (95%+?) are men, with the vast majority of workers being women. 51% of most populations are women, 49% are men. Seems pretty obvious?
        everforward 3y ago
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        yieldcrv 3y ago
        no, not obvious. yes, the market for sex work is primarily men. of them, the vast majority are interested in heterosexual pairings from women providers. can you finish articulating why women would be losing from cheap sex work? which women, the sex workers? a different group? what are each group losing specifically? have you talked to any sex workers? many of them say they've gained something and I'm waiting to compare that with what you are trying to articulate
        lazide 3y ago
        Bwahaha, have fun with that. I'm sure you'd never believe and/or would be shocked that those Latino dudes hanging out in 90% of Home Depot parking lots every morning (and getting picked up by contractors) DO NOT actually have valid work authorizations and/or US Citizenship. Not usually Mexicanos though, despite the stereotype. Same with 50-90%+ of drywallers, framers, etc. at least in the US west/south (depending on exact metro area). And as long as it isn't too big of a hot button topic at the moment, no one does anything about it either. There will be an occasional 'whack a mole' action when it does become a hot button, then it goes back to being ignored. Since homeowners and businesses 'win' and low value blue collar labor 'loses', not likely to change either until Labor starts getting organized again. In any trade, someone always gets something for something. Market effects, who gets what for how much, etc. are what I’m talking about.
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_DeadFred_ 3y ago
They care about people being forced to engage in sex. Many people are trafficked into doing something they do not want to do by a partner or someone they think cares about them (look at the Andrew Tate situation).
- concordDance 3y ago
  After this comment I finally looked up Andrew Tate on wikipedia and was surprised to discover he has not actually been convicted of sex trafficking yet. Had the impression he had been... commenting in case it surprises anyone else.
  - colejohnson66 3y ago
    Well, you can’t convict him if he’s not in the US. He’s been hiding in Romania the past few years.
    - yieldcrv 3y ago
      The Romanian authorities indicted him. The surprise is that the Romanian authorities havent convicted him amusing “default US” moment
lmm 3y ago
Right, and they abuse anti-trafficking laws as a way to punish people for having sex.
yieldcrv 3y ago
The US and states have very active labor trafficking investigations, raids, busts, outreach, you name it. There are deep investigations many into outfits quite regularly, involving the FBI and other agencies. If it feels the opposite, it turns out we just have a large labor trafficking problem, which includes adult services/entertainment.
solumunus 3y ago
I can’t tell if you’re saying that sex trafficking doesn’t exist, isn’t a problem or that people don’t care about it. All positions are bonkers, but which one?
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  they’re saying that “downgrading” the enforcement approach of sex trafficking to just labor trafficking would mean all the enforcement and task forces go away which I disagree with

Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.

by lupire 3y ago

Estimated no one cares about labor trafficking. They care about other people having sex.

The irony of this being Arizona we're talking about and the significant contribution of illegal immigrants to the state economy.

stavros 3y ago
Why is that ironic? Of course nobody will care about stopping labor trafficking if it benefits them.
- vuln 3y ago
  > Of course nobody will care about stopping labor trafficking if it benefits them Same with sex work it seems.
  - verve_rat 3y ago
    Sex work <> sex trafficking.
    - Nasrudith 3y ago
      Yes, but casting anti-sex work measures as anti-sex trafficking measures has long been the propaganda norm.
  - lazide 3y ago
    The issue is that unlike cheap gardeners, where most of the population benefits and a small portion of the population loses (‘native’ gardeners - probably just a couple % of the labor force), approx. 51% of the population ‘loses’ with cheap sex work. Which is why, in almost every jurisdiction, prostitution is illegal. But since approx. 49% of the population ‘wins’, it is also why it still happens, just where it isn’t obvious.
    - yieldcrv 3y ago
      why does 51% of the population 'lose' with cheap sex work? I'm not understand what is unsaid here or is being assumed to have a shared understanding.
      - lazide 3y ago
        The vast majority of customers for sex workers (95%+?) are men, with the vast majority of workers being women. 51% of most populations are women, 49% are men. Seems pretty obvious?
        everforward 3y ago
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        yieldcrv 3y ago
        no, not obvious. yes, the market for sex work is primarily men. of them, the vast majority are interested in heterosexual pairings from women providers. can you finish articulating why women would be losing from cheap sex work? which women, the sex workers? a different group? what are each group losing specifically? have you talked to any sex workers? many of them say they've gained something and I'm waiting to compare that with what you are trying to articulate
        lazide 3y ago
        Bwahaha, have fun with that. I'm sure you'd never believe and/or would be shocked that those Latino dudes hanging out in 90% of Home Depot parking lots every morning (and getting picked up by contractors) DO NOT actually have valid work authorizations and/or US Citizenship. Not usually Mexicanos though, despite the stereotype. Same with 50-90%+ of drywallers, framers, etc. at least in the US west/south (depending on exact metro area). And as long as it isn't too big of a hot button topic at the moment, no one does anything about it either. There will be an occasional 'whack a mole' action when it does become a hot button, then it goes back to being ignored. Since homeowners and businesses 'win' and low value blue collar labor 'loses', not likely to change either until Labor starts getting organized again. In any trade, someone always gets something for something. Market effects, who gets what for how much, etc. are what I’m talking about.
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_DeadFred_ 3y ago

They care about people being forced to engage in sex. Many people are trafficked into doing something they do not want to do by a partner or someone they think cares about them (look at the Andrew Tate situation).

concordDance 3y ago
After this comment I finally looked up Andrew Tate on wikipedia and was surprised to discover he has not actually been convicted of sex trafficking yet. Had the impression he had been... commenting in case it surprises anyone else.
- colejohnson66 3y ago
  Well, you can’t convict him if he’s not in the US. He’s been hiding in Romania the past few years.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    The Romanian authorities indicted him. The surprise is that the Romanian authorities havent convicted him amusing “default US” moment

lmm 3y ago

Right, and they abuse anti-trafficking laws as a way to punish people for having sex.

yieldcrv 3y ago

The US and states have very active labor trafficking investigations, raids, busts, outreach, you name it. There are deep investigations many into outfits quite regularly, involving the FBI and other agencies. If it feels the opposite, it turns out we just have a large labor trafficking problem, which includes adult services/entertainment.

solumunus 3y ago

I can’t tell if you’re saying that sex trafficking doesn’t exist, isn’t a problem or that people don’t care about it. All positions are bonkers, but which one?

yieldcrv 3y ago
they’re saying that “downgrading” the enforcement approach of sex trafficking to just labor trafficking would mean all the enforcement and task forces go away which I disagree with