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That's a recipe for a generation of kids warped and broken by being raised by parents who only see them as a cash cow. It's a terrible idea.

by Uvix 2y ago

tivert 2y ago
> That's a recipe for a generation of kids warped and broken by being raised by parents who only see them as a cash cow. No, unless everyone who currently chooses not to have children is a sociopath.
- acdha 2y ago
  There are less black and white positions: that would incentivize people settling for relationships they have doubts about or to stay in failing ones (being a single parent is not easy), and it’d be especially cruel to anyone with fertility issues. As social policies go it’d be much easier to simply allow more immigration.
  - tivert 2y ago
    > There are less black and white positions: that would incentivize people settling for relationships they have doubts about or to stay in failing ones (being a single parent is not easy), And if it does that, so what? Is perfectionism really that important? And honestly, my proposal isn't so much about increasing the birthrate, but preventing a certain kind of freeloading ("The pensions...they can all burn"). Totally make the conscious choice to go child-free, just understand if you do you may not be able to retire. > and it’d be especially cruel to anyone with fertility issues. And if that's really an issue, which I'm not convinced of, because policies are invariably "cruel" like that in innumerable ways, you could always carve out an exception for people who've attempted fertility treatments. > As social policies go it’d be much easier to simply allow more immigration. Except that probably would be even more cruel, since it falsely hand-waves that there's enough high fertility elsewhere to sustain a low fertility rich country. It turns out there isn't, so what you proposal requires is either: 1) export the labor shortage to poorer countries that are less equipped to handle it, or 2) maintain crushing poverty in many countries to turn them into baby factories for the immigration solution.

That's a recipe for a generation of kids warped and broken by being raised by parents who only see them as a cash cow. It's a terrible idea.

by Uvix 2y ago

That's a recipe for a generation of kids warped and broken by being raised by parents who only see them as a cash cow. It's a terrible idea.

tivert 2y ago

> That's a recipe for a generation of kids warped and broken by being raised by parents who only see them as a cash cow. No, unless everyone who currently chooses not to have children is a sociopath.

acdha 2y ago
There are less black and white positions: that would incentivize people settling for relationships they have doubts about or to stay in failing ones (being a single parent is not easy), and it’d be especially cruel to anyone with fertility issues. As social policies go it’d be much easier to simply allow more immigration.
- tivert 2y ago
  > There are less black and white positions: that would incentivize people settling for relationships they have doubts about or to stay in failing ones (being a single parent is not easy), And if it does that, so what? Is perfectionism really that important? And honestly, my proposal isn't so much about increasing the birthrate, but preventing a certain kind of freeloading ("The pensions...they can all burn"). Totally make the conscious choice to go child-free, just understand if you do you may not be able to retire. > and it’d be especially cruel to anyone with fertility issues. And if that's really an issue, which I'm not convinced of, because policies are invariably "cruel" like that in innumerable ways, you could always carve out an exception for people who've attempted fertility treatments. > As social policies go it’d be much easier to simply allow more immigration. Except that probably would be even more cruel, since it falsely hand-waves that there's enough high fertility elsewhere to sustain a low fertility rich country. It turns out there isn't, so what you proposal requires is either: 1) export the labor shortage to poorer countries that are less equipped to handle it, or 2) maintain crushing poverty in many countries to turn them into baby factories for the immigration solution.