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Layoff is not the same as "fired". Please use the correct terminology in consideration for those who lost their jobs. Also, the termination dates for those wh

Layoff is not the same as "fired". Please use the correct terminology in consideration for those who lost their jobs. Also, the termination dates for those who were laid off in January 2023 would be around April 2023 (the layoff news came earlier due to WARN act), so the employee count as of 2023-03-31 might not include those people. This means a difference of ~10000 can be accounted for by the 2023-01-20 round of layoffs.

klohto 3y ago
this isn’t a fucking HR email thread, fired means layoff in these lands
- hn_go_brrrrr 3y ago
  There's a meaningful difference between the two. You're fired for doing something wrong. You're laid off if the company wants to cut costs.
  - gitfan86 3y ago
    That is what corporate HR and Executives want you to think. Layoffs can make it look like the company is having problems so instead of doing that they will create vague KPIs so that employees will not meet them so they can be fired.
    - xen0 3y ago
      That doesn't scale. AFAICT, Google didn't go to the effort of creating vague objectives for people to fail at. Instead they've blanket cut teams regardless of their success or performance.
    - hn_go_brrrrr 2y ago
      What you're observing is that companies lie, not that there aren't differences between the two.
  - klohto 3y ago
    whatever the drones command. end result is the same.
- danpalmer 3y ago
  Have some respect. People lost their jobs. They weren't fired because they did something wrong, they were laid off because the company did something wrong.
  - klohto 3y ago
    im also being “laid off” buddy :)
kevindamm 3y ago
2023-03-31 would have been after the last day for the January layoff group, at least for US workers not in the NY office.
amrocha 3y ago
In what world is “laid off” better than “fired”? Either way the company screwed you, doesn’t matter how they justify it
- iaseiadit 3y ago
  If you've been fired, it typically signals you had very bad performance or committed some fireable offense. If you were laid off, you were ostensibly just on the wrong team at the wrong time. It's not about how you view your last employer, it's about how your next potential employer will view you.
  - winternewt 3y ago
    And HR will do their best to find an excuse to turn "layoff" into "fire" so the company won't need to pay unemployment

klohto 3y ago

this isn’t a fucking HR email thread, fired means layoff in these lands

hn_go_brrrrr 3y ago
There's a meaningful difference between the two. You're fired for doing something wrong. You're laid off if the company wants to cut costs.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  That is what corporate HR and Executives want you to think. Layoffs can make it look like the company is having problems so instead of doing that they will create vague KPIs so that employees will not meet them so they can be fired.
  - xen0 3y ago
    That doesn't scale. AFAICT, Google didn't go to the effort of creating vague objectives for people to fail at. Instead they've blanket cut teams regardless of their success or performance.
  - hn_go_brrrrr 2y ago
    What you're observing is that companies lie, not that there aren't differences between the two.
- klohto 3y ago
  whatever the drones command. end result is the same.
danpalmer 3y ago
Have some respect. People lost their jobs. They weren't fired because they did something wrong, they were laid off because the company did something wrong.
- klohto 3y ago
  im also being “laid off” buddy :)

kevindamm 3y ago

2023-03-31 would have been after the last day for the January layoff group, at least for US workers not in the NY office.

amrocha 3y ago

In what world is “laid off” better than “fired”? Either way the company screwed you, doesn’t matter how they justify it

iaseiadit 3y ago
If you've been fired, it typically signals you had very bad performance or committed some fireable offense. If you were laid off, you were ostensibly just on the wrong team at the wrong time. It's not about how you view your last employer, it's about how your next potential employer will view you.
- winternewt 3y ago
  And HR will do their best to find an excuse to turn "layoff" into "fire" so the company won't need to pay unemployment