6 ms·

why?

Nextgrid 2y ago
Regulatory capture and the regulator being in bed with the incumbents. Not Canada-specific even, this is a common problem in a lot of countries when it comes to telecoms.
betaby 2y ago
Overregulation. Source, I work in telecom in Canada.
- loceng 2y ago
  And now all telecom companies are required to interconnect, right? Or did that not happen? The government mandated that after the "Rogers outage" - so that other providers can act as "backups", so "that never happens again."
  - betaby 2y ago
    > And now all telecom companies are required to interconnect, right? No. That's not the case at all. > so that other providers can act as "backups", so "that never happens again." Also, no. Also what do you mean by interconnect? BGP IP peering is a thing for a while. Big folks peer with big folks.
    - loceng 2y ago
      "Ottawa announces it will require telecoms to provide backup for each other during outages following Rogers system failure" - https://www.thestar.com/business/ottawa-announces-it-will-require-telecoms-to-provide-backup-for-each-other-during-outages-following/article_f0f743de-398d-5c80-9ffc-0821b242ad2f.html https://www.thestar.com/business/ottawa-announces-it-will-re... Are you aware of this?
      - kazinator 2y ago
        When there is only "telecom" and not "telecoms", Ottawa will have to rephrase that.
        loceng 2y ago
        Canada will be abbreviated to CCP at that point.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        Even mainland china's ISPs are not entirely monolithic.
        loceng 2y ago
        And so this has to be done on a technical level in Canada to have the same capacity as the social oversight of CCP personnel being firmly embedded in each ISP on mainland China, right?
- protocolture 2y ago
  Really? I found Canada one of the least regulated. Although there were a few weird hoops. Out of ~10 countries I have supported WISP's in, I have never seen a country with less of a barrier to entry. We did have a theory that our customers were rural, and that the cities might present different issues. But trying to do what they did in Australia would be add 2 zeroes to the end of every cost.
ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
Ask TekSavvy that question.
- betaby 2y ago
  Or Ebox. In fact some of hurdles were documented on dslreports forum. Starting with wholesale access to cable ( worked OK for a while ) continuing with wholesale access to fiber ( never happens ) and ending with the end of the 'sane' rates for cable ( final nail before Ebox, Destributel and other were sold to Bell/Telus/Cogeco )
  - throw0101c 2y ago
    > continuing with wholesale access to fiber ( never happens ) * https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/11/06/bell-and-telus-must-offer-competitors-access-to-fibre-to-the-home-network-crtc/ https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/11/06/bell-and-telus-must-offer... Or you can do what Beanfield did and build out your own fibre infrastructure to customers.
    - posguy 2y ago
      Fighting every municipality and Homeowners Association (HOA, aka Strata) along the way. Running fiber is tough here in the US, even motivated incumbents see a minimum of a 6 month delay waiting for permits in many municipalities to run fiber through existing conduit owned by said incumbent.
      - nayuki 2y ago
        Beanfield runs fiber through streets and sewers, and provides networking to office buildings and condominium apartments. I don't think they serve detached houses, as the low density is not worth it.
- throw0101c 2y ago
  Or Beanfield.

why?

Regulatory capture and the regulator being in bed with the incumbents. Not Canada-specific even, this is a common problem in a lot of countries when it comes to telecoms.

betaby 2y ago

Overregulation. Source, I work in telecom in Canada.

loceng 2y ago
And now all telecom companies are required to interconnect, right? Or did that not happen? The government mandated that after the "Rogers outage" - so that other providers can act as "backups", so "that never happens again."
- betaby 2y ago
  > And now all telecom companies are required to interconnect, right? No. That's not the case at all. > so that other providers can act as "backups", so "that never happens again." Also, no. Also what do you mean by interconnect? BGP IP peering is a thing for a while. Big folks peer with big folks.
  - loceng 2y ago
    "Ottawa announces it will require telecoms to provide backup for each other during outages following Rogers system failure" - https://www.thestar.com/business/ottawa-announces-it-will-require-telecoms-to-provide-backup-for-each-other-during-outages-following/article_f0f743de-398d-5c80-9ffc-0821b242ad2f.html https://www.thestar.com/business/ottawa-announces-it-will-re... Are you aware of this?
    - kazinator 2y ago
      When there is only "telecom" and not "telecoms", Ottawa will have to rephrase that.
      - loceng 2y ago
        Canada will be abbreviated to CCP at that point.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        Even mainland china's ISPs are not entirely monolithic.
        loceng 2y ago
        And so this has to be done on a technical level in Canada to have the same capacity as the social oversight of CCP personnel being firmly embedded in each ISP on mainland China, right?
protocolture 2y ago
Really? I found Canada one of the least regulated. Although there were a few weird hoops. Out of ~10 countries I have supported WISP's in, I have never seen a country with less of a barrier to entry. We did have a theory that our customers were rural, and that the cities might present different issues. But trying to do what they did in Australia would be add 2 zeroes to the end of every cost.

ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago

Ask TekSavvy that question.

betaby 2y ago
Or Ebox. In fact some of hurdles were documented on dslreports forum. Starting with wholesale access to cable ( worked OK for a while ) continuing with wholesale access to fiber ( never happens ) and ending with the end of the 'sane' rates for cable ( final nail before Ebox, Destributel and other were sold to Bell/Telus/Cogeco )
- throw0101c 2y ago
  > continuing with wholesale access to fiber ( never happens ) * https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/11/06/bell-and-telus-must-offer-competitors-access-to-fibre-to-the-home-network-crtc/ https://mobilesyrup.com/2023/11/06/bell-and-telus-must-offer... Or you can do what Beanfield did and build out your own fibre infrastructure to customers.
  - posguy 2y ago
    Fighting every municipality and Homeowners Association (HOA, aka Strata) along the way. Running fiber is tough here in the US, even motivated incumbents see a minimum of a 6 month delay waiting for permits in many municipalities to run fiber through existing conduit owned by said incumbent.
    - nayuki 2y ago
      Beanfield runs fiber through streets and sewers, and provides networking to office buildings and condominium apartments. I don't think they serve detached houses, as the low density is not worth it.
throw0101c 2y ago
Or Beanfield.