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> I’ve moved past it for now, luckily, but I’m seeing a lot of people struggle, particularly men, and get left behind, with virtually nobody trying to make us f

> I’ve moved past it for now, luckily, but I’m seeing a lot of people struggle, particularly men, and get left behind, with virtually nobody trying to make us feel valued or supported on the societal level. Many men, especially those without prospects for getting married/having kids, really don’t have a good reason to go on except pure hedonism. And that can only go so far. An honest question, not trying to start an argument: I wonder if you feel that men in particular are struggling because you don’t interact with women as often as you interact with men? Reading your main factors, it’s not hard to imagine women facing the same problems, especially in regard to the societal expectation of marriage/kids.

jarbus 3y ago
A fair question - as it turns out, I do interact with quite a few women. And while, yes, women face pressure to sacrifice family for a career (or vice versa), from what I understand, many women simply 1) Have a strong negative disposition to men/the idea of dating, 2) have their choice of men from dating apps, meaning they can date/start a family whenever/however they want, more or less, and 3) are either uninterested in giving birth, will "freeze their eggs" for whenever they decide to have a family, or are willing to adopt. This is not to say that women do not face hardships in the modern world (I know many who face sexism, assault, abortion rights, etc), however, I feel the nature of these problems are fundamentally different, particularly around their narratives and how they are supported. I think women feel more supported, empowered, righteous, and angry than ever when facing these issues (rightfully so), while men are increasingly ignored, devalued, and thrown away, without the explicit support that women typically receive in media, hiring practices, fellowships, etc. There are lots of tangible things for women to point to which indicate that their future is getting better (sans abortion rights in some states), while I think men have plenty of reason to suspect that things will only get worse from their perspective.

jarbus 3y ago

A fair question - as it turns out, I do interact with quite a few women. And while, yes, women face pressure to sacrifice family for a career (or vice versa), from what I understand, many women simply 1) Have a strong negative disposition to men/the idea of dating, 2) have their choice of men from dating apps, meaning they can date/start a family whenever/however they want, more or less, and 3) are either uninterested in giving birth, will "freeze their eggs" for whenever they decide to have a family, or are willing to adopt. This is not to say that women do not face hardships in the modern world (I know many who face sexism, assault, abortion rights, etc), however, I feel the nature of these problems are fundamentally different, particularly around their narratives and how they are supported. I think women feel more supported, empowered, righteous, and angry than ever when facing these issues (rightfully so), while men are increasingly ignored, devalued, and thrown away, without the explicit support that women typically receive in media, hiring practices, fellowships, etc. There are lots of tangible things for women to point to which indicate that their future is getting better (sans abortion rights in some states), while I think men have plenty of reason to suspect that things will only get worse from their perspective.