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Obviously that's not the goal but just to add an additiional revenue stream for the city while lying the local plebs straight in the face.

by siva7 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> while lying the local plebs straight in the face Locals don’t pay the fee. This is aimed at the cruise ships, whose denizens tend to wander around and not purchase anything of significance.
- shmeeed 3y ago
  They're lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree You think a city official needed to scrounge up some funding and came up with this, a highly visible and obstructive method, instead of raising it indirectly?
    - shmeeed 3y ago
      No. Locals were demanding officials do something against the rampant overtourism, so they needed to act precisely in a highly visible and obstructive way. But the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream. 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway. It won't make a dent into the actual overtourism problem.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream The whole point is there are boatloads of tourists who contribute nothing to the local economy. > 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway This is a lot of cruise ship visitors to Venice. I agree the rate is set too low. But that’s different from judging the primary motivation as a money grab.
zrn900 3y ago
That is the goal. The price increases, cost of living increases and the gentrification that is brought by tourism in certain places in Europe are so high that "tourist go home" became a common graffiti and the locals are livid. https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-up-with-mass-tourism-barcelona-locals-say-039tourists-go-home039 https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-u... “The Brits and Germans are the worst, they make our lives hell here,” the pensioner yells, after a group of young tourists fails to move out of the way on the narrow pavement. Her insults are met with cheers from a group of elderly gentleman sitting in a nearby café. “I spit on the scum from my balcony,” one of them says to the jeers of his friends. The beef that the young have with tourists is more life-affecting: They get gentrified out of being able to rent or buy housing in the neighborhoods that they grew up in. Either through housing moving to become airbnbs or through rich foreigners buying out houses. The latter relates more to golden visas and digital nomads though. Ah, and yes, 'digital nomad go home' also started to appear as a graffiti as well.
- Log_out_ 3y ago
  And they buy those flats and don't even life in them. Disneyworldification of tourist destinations is real. Azores.. Land of empty little houses with little burger boxes, while the natives have to life near the cargo harbor.

Obviously that's not the goal but just to add an additiional revenue stream for the city while lying the local plebs straight in the face.

by siva7 3y ago

Obviously that's not the goal but just to add an additiional revenue stream for the city while lying the local plebs straight in the face.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> while lying the local plebs straight in the face Locals don’t pay the fee. This is aimed at the cruise ships, whose denizens tend to wander around and not purchase anything of significance.

shmeeed 3y ago
They're lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree You think a city official needed to scrounge up some funding and came up with this, a highly visible and obstructive method, instead of raising it indirectly?
  - shmeeed 3y ago
    No. Locals were demanding officials do something against the rampant overtourism, so they needed to act precisely in a highly visible and obstructive way. But the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream. 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway. It won't make a dent into the actual overtourism problem.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream The whole point is there are boatloads of tourists who contribute nothing to the local economy. > 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway This is a lot of cruise ship visitors to Venice. I agree the rate is set too low. But that’s different from judging the primary motivation as a money grab.

zrn900 3y ago

That is the goal. The price increases, cost of living increases and the gentrification that is brought by tourism in certain places in Europe are so high that "tourist go home" became a common graffiti and the locals are livid. https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-up-with-mass-tourism-barcelona-locals-say-039tourists-go-home039 https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-u... “The Brits and Germans are the worst, they make our lives hell here,” the pensioner yells, after a group of young tourists fails to move out of the way on the narrow pavement. Her insults are met with cheers from a group of elderly gentleman sitting in a nearby café. “I spit on the scum from my balcony,” one of them says to the jeers of his friends. The beef that the young have with tourists is more life-affecting: They get gentrified out of being able to rent or buy housing in the neighborhoods that they grew up in. Either through housing moving to become airbnbs or through rich foreigners buying out houses. The latter relates more to golden visas and digital nomads though. Ah, and yes, 'digital nomad go home' also started to appear as a graffiti as well.

Log_out_ 3y ago
And they buy those flats and don't even life in them. Disneyworldification of tourist destinations is real. Azores.. Land of empty little houses with little burger boxes, while the natives have to life near the cargo harbor.