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I'd think only something like ten times that amount would deter a significant number of visitors _which is the goal_.

siva7 2y ago
Obviously that's not the goal but just to add an additiional revenue stream for the city while lying the local plebs straight in the face.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > while lying the local plebs straight in the face Locals don’t pay the fee. This is aimed at the cruise ships, whose denizens tend to wander around and not purchase anything of significance.
  - shmeeed 2y ago
    They're lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree You think a city official needed to scrounge up some funding and came up with this, a highly visible and obstructive method, instead of raising it indirectly?
      - shmeeed 2y ago
        No. Locals were demanding officials do something against the rampant overtourism, so they needed to act precisely in a highly visible and obstructive way. But the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream. 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway. It won't make a dent into the actual overtourism problem.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream The whole point is there are boatloads of tourists who contribute nothing to the local economy. > 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway This is a lot of cruise ship visitors to Venice. I agree the rate is set too low. But that’s different from judging the primary motivation as a money grab.
- zrn900 2y ago
  That is the goal. The price increases, cost of living increases and the gentrification that is brought by tourism in certain places in Europe are so high that "tourist go home" became a common graffiti and the locals are livid. https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-up-with-mass-tourism-barcelona-locals-say-039tourists-go-home039 https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-u... “The Brits and Germans are the worst, they make our lives hell here,” the pensioner yells, after a group of young tourists fails to move out of the way on the narrow pavement. Her insults are met with cheers from a group of elderly gentleman sitting in a nearby café. “I spit on the scum from my balcony,” one of them says to the jeers of his friends. The beef that the young have with tourists is more life-affecting: They get gentrified out of being able to rent or buy housing in the neighborhoods that they grew up in. Either through housing moving to become airbnbs or through rich foreigners buying out houses. The latter relates more to golden visas and digital nomads though. Ah, and yes, 'digital nomad go home' also started to appear as a graffiti as well.
  - Log_out_ 2y ago
    And they buy those flats and don't even life in them. Disneyworldification of tourist destinations is real. Azores.. Land of empty little houses with little burger boxes, while the natives have to life near the cargo harbor.
xenospn 2y ago
I was just in Munich the other day - couldn’t even move because there were so many tourists. I think tour groups need to have a hefty fee attached.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Why would anyone be a tourist in Munich? Seems utterly bizarre.
  - dtmaurath 2y ago
    Probably enroute to Neuschwanstein and the old town / shopping is something to do.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      Unimaginable to me to be honest. Neuschwanstein is also literally a fake castle.
      - op00to 2y ago
        It was a delightful walk up hill and great views. Other people enjoy different things than you.
      - Rebelgecko 2y ago
        Looks real enough in the pics
        constantcrying 2y ago
        So does the castle at Disneyland.
  - petre 2y ago
    During a major beer event once every ten years? Sure. Maybe for a concert as well.
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more_corn 2y ago
I came here to say this exact thing
constantcrying 2y ago
Hopefully that is the goal.
maherbeg 2y ago
yeah they could easily just say "foreign tourists pay 50euro per day" on high traffic days and call it good.

Obviously that's not the goal but just to add an additiional revenue stream for the city while lying the local plebs straight in the face.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> while lying the local plebs straight in the face Locals don’t pay the fee. This is aimed at the cruise ships, whose denizens tend to wander around and not purchase anything of significance.
- shmeeed 2y ago
  They're lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > lying about the goal is what I suppose they meant, and I tend to agree You think a city official needed to scrounge up some funding and came up with this, a highly visible and obstructive method, instead of raising it indirectly?
    - shmeeed 2y ago
      No. Locals were demanding officials do something against the rampant overtourism, so they needed to act precisely in a highly visible and obstructive way. But the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream. 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway. It won't make a dent into the actual overtourism problem.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > the main goal was of course to assure whatever they did wouldn't jeopardise tourism as the city's main revenue stream The whole point is there are boatloads of tourists who contribute nothing to the local economy. > 5€ is equivalent to a short-term parking fee and won't deter many visitors, except a few that wouldn't have been valuable to the city anyway This is a lot of cruise ship visitors to Venice. I agree the rate is set too low. But that’s different from judging the primary motivation as a money grab.
zrn900 2y ago
That is the goal. The price increases, cost of living increases and the gentrification that is brought by tourism in certain places in Europe are so high that "tourist go home" became a common graffiti and the locals are livid. https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-up-with-mass-tourism-barcelona-locals-say-039tourists-go-home039 https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/travel/2023/10/09/fed-u... “The Brits and Germans are the worst, they make our lives hell here,” the pensioner yells, after a group of young tourists fails to move out of the way on the narrow pavement. Her insults are met with cheers from a group of elderly gentleman sitting in a nearby café. “I spit on the scum from my balcony,” one of them says to the jeers of his friends. The beef that the young have with tourists is more life-affecting: They get gentrified out of being able to rent or buy housing in the neighborhoods that they grew up in. Either through housing moving to become airbnbs or through rich foreigners buying out houses. The latter relates more to golden visas and digital nomads though. Ah, and yes, 'digital nomad go home' also started to appear as a graffiti as well.
- Log_out_ 2y ago
  And they buy those flats and don't even life in them. Disneyworldification of tourist destinations is real. Azores.. Land of empty little houses with little burger boxes, while the natives have to life near the cargo harbor.

xenospn 2y ago

I was just in Munich the other day - couldn’t even move because there were so many tourists. I think tour groups need to have a hefty fee attached.

constantcrying 2y ago
Why would anyone be a tourist in Munich? Seems utterly bizarre.
- dtmaurath 2y ago
  Probably enroute to Neuschwanstein and the old town / shopping is something to do.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    Unimaginable to me to be honest. Neuschwanstein is also literally a fake castle.
    - op00to 2y ago
      It was a delightful walk up hill and great views. Other people enjoy different things than you.
    - Rebelgecko 2y ago
      Looks real enough in the pics
      - constantcrying 2y ago
        So does the castle at Disneyland.
- petre 2y ago
  During a major beer event once every ten years? Sure. Maybe for a concert as well.

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more_corn 2y ago

I came here to say this exact thing

constantcrying 2y ago

Hopefully that is the goal.

maherbeg 2y ago

yeah they could easily just say "foreign tourists pay 50euro per day" on high traffic days and call it good.