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No, unless flatpak will be able to do what snap does for Canonical for years.

by selivanovp 2y ago

tjoff 2y ago
Drive users away?
- curt15 2y ago
  What's driving users away is not snap but rather Canonical's heavy-handed way of foisting snap on users that would make Microsoft proud.
  - tjoff 2y ago
    ... which on its own is one of the better reasons to ditch a distro.
  - bigstrat2003 2y ago
    Yeah this is exactly it. I don't really give a damn about snaps. But when I use apt to install something, and the OS silently installs a snap version instead, that's not acceptable to me. I'm not going to ever use Ubuntu again where I have a choice, personally.
    - curt15 2y ago
      >But when I use apt to install something, and the OS silently installs a snap version instead Does `apt remove` remove the snap?
      - vetinari 2y ago
        And then 'apt install firefox' or 'apt install thunderbird' installs it back.
sevagh 2y ago
Just like they wasted time and effort on Unity and shuttered it in favor of Gnome, and they wasted time and effort on Mir and shuttered it in favor of Wayland, and they wasted time and effort on Upstart and shuttered it in favor of systemd. Canonical will fail once again, but only after jerking the community around for multiple years.
- NewJazz 2y ago
  They didn't invest much into Upstart at all, and quickly announced a switch after Debian adopted systemd. They still maintain Mir, as a Wayland display server. Unity was one of the most popular desktop environments and brought Ubuntu users a lot of value over the years. It even influenced the design of GNOME 3.
  - freedomben 2y ago
    Yeah I'm generally critical of Canonical for these moves, but Upstart is one I actually think was good and well done, as was their decision to move to systemd. Upstart was more pre-systemd anyway. IIRC Red Hat also used Upstart for a major release as well before moving all the way to systemd.
  - extraduder_ire 2y ago
    I didn't understand much of the unity hate, especially compared to things like gnome 3. Really wish I could have HUD, combined titlebar/top panel, and typo-resilient search back. The latter two are possible with gnome extensions but don't work quite as well.
    - sevagh 2y ago
      It's not so much hating what they do but the manner in which they do it. CLAs and not contributing upstream from the get-go means Canonical's special stuff cannot go further than Canonical.
      - NewJazz 2y ago
vetinari 2y ago
> able to do what snap does for Canonical for years. Exclusive control over the only available apps store? Not going to happen.

No, unless flatpak will be able to do what snap does for Canonical for years.

tjoff 2y ago

Drive users away?

curt15 2y ago
What's driving users away is not snap but rather Canonical's heavy-handed way of foisting snap on users that would make Microsoft proud.
- tjoff 2y ago
  ... which on its own is one of the better reasons to ditch a distro.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  Yeah this is exactly it. I don't really give a damn about snaps. But when I use apt to install something, and the OS silently installs a snap version instead, that's not acceptable to me. I'm not going to ever use Ubuntu again where I have a choice, personally.
  - curt15 2y ago
    >But when I use apt to install something, and the OS silently installs a snap version instead Does `apt remove` remove the snap?
    - vetinari 2y ago
      And then 'apt install firefox' or 'apt install thunderbird' installs it back.

sevagh 2y ago

Just like they wasted time and effort on Unity and shuttered it in favor of Gnome, and they wasted time and effort on Mir and shuttered it in favor of Wayland, and they wasted time and effort on Upstart and shuttered it in favor of systemd. Canonical will fail once again, but only after jerking the community around for multiple years.

NewJazz 2y ago
They didn't invest much into Upstart at all, and quickly announced a switch after Debian adopted systemd. They still maintain Mir, as a Wayland display server. Unity was one of the most popular desktop environments and brought Ubuntu users a lot of value over the years. It even influenced the design of GNOME 3.
- freedomben 2y ago
  Yeah I'm generally critical of Canonical for these moves, but Upstart is one I actually think was good and well done, as was their decision to move to systemd. Upstart was more pre-systemd anyway. IIRC Red Hat also used Upstart for a major release as well before moving all the way to systemd.
- extraduder_ire 2y ago
  I didn't understand much of the unity hate, especially compared to things like gnome 3. Really wish I could have HUD, combined titlebar/top panel, and typo-resilient search back. The latter two are possible with gnome extensions but don't work quite as well.
  - sevagh 2y ago
    It's not so much hating what they do but the manner in which they do it. CLAs and not contributing upstream from the get-go means Canonical's special stuff cannot go further than Canonical.
    - NewJazz 2y ago

vetinari 2y ago

> able to do what snap does for Canonical for years. Exclusive control over the only available apps store? Not going to happen.