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Let me preface by saying I listen to a lot of genres, but that jazz & funk is not my "main expertise". Of course there's no denying we have lots of creative an

Let me preface by saying I listen to a lot of genres, but that jazz & funk is not my "main expertise". Of course there's no denying we have lots of creative and talented new musicians, but very seldom do I think they beat "the greats", or are even on par. Usually they feel more like knockoffs, and I find I'd rather go back and listen to the original instead. I'm not familiar with these artists, but I had a listen to about 20 of them, and I will say that I can hear where a lot of them got their inspiration from, but they (not all of them) feel lightweight compared to artists from back in the day. In these genres I'd much rather listen to the following artists than any of the ones you mentioned: Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Townes Van Zandt, Earth, Wind & Fire, The Isley Brothers, Johnny Cash, Coltrane, Gillespie, Miles Davis. "Nate Smith" in particular sounds so much like your stereotypical modern artist. Everything from the production, melodies, his voice and vocal chain sounds like at least 20 other artists. Very uninspired in my humble opinion. This is what we can expect AI to produce.

goosejuice 2y ago
Of course they were inspired by existing artists and by a greater set of them! This is central to my argument that music is only going to get better with greater exposure. Those are all great artists you listed but to attempt to quantify that they are any more talented or creative than contemporaries is a silly exercise. It's art. This is a small list of random artists that I've listened to over the past few years. Jacob Collier is a perfect example of exceptional generational talent who not only is technically mind blowing but also incredibly original. I bet every one of those artists you listed would say the same about him (if they haven't passed of course). Nate Smith likewise would be welcomed as the drummer in any one of those bands. Did you listen to the right Nate Smith?
- erikbye 2y ago
  > Of course they were inspired by existing artists and by a greater set of them! Inspiration is a given, and nothing wrong with that. But I often feel like instead of inspiring to new heights we get a watered down version.
  - goosejuice 2y ago
    I don't know, maybe you're just not hearing what I'm hearing. Watch Cory Henry on Snarky's Lingus. Jacob Collier do his recent crowd work with the NSO. Cory Wong talk about Vulfpeck and their MSG show and never rehearsing. Hiromi and Tank and the Bangas on NPR's tiny desks. I'd say Abigail Lapell adds tremendously to the folk of the era you are referencing. Watered down is just not how I'd describe any of the musicians I listed
    - d12345m 2y ago
      I come back to that keyboard solo on Lingus every couple of months and it never fails to make my hairs stand on edge. Absolutely legendary. Larnell Lewis also delivered a world-class performance on that entire album.
  - acureau 2y ago
    You seem hyper focused on comparing all that you hear to what you already know you like. If you really want to appreciate new music, cut it out. You're introducing bias at the outset. If you approach a new artist as if their work is isolated, and give it some time to settle in, I think you'll be surprised.
  - _DeadFred_ 2y ago
    Show me someone great who when you go to their inspiration you can't find they themselves very much creating watered down versions of their inspirations.
d12345m 2y ago
I think you may have found a different Nate Smith than the one goosejuice was referencing. They were likely referring to the drummer named Nate Smith (he's collaborated with at least one of the groups mentioned). The guy has a lot of interesting work, but I think the thing that blew me away the most is the composition 'Warble'. If memory serves, that's the piece where he explored 64th note and dotted 32nd note displacements in order to mimic J Dilla's 'wonky' swing. I've tried capturing the Dilla swing; it's nearly impossible to do on the drums without sounding like you don't know how to play the instrument. Nate Smith, on the other hand, makes it sound fantastic. The guy is a wizard.
- erikbye 2y ago
  You're right, stumbled upon the wrong Nate.

goosejuice 2y ago

Of course they were inspired by existing artists and by a greater set of them! This is central to my argument that music is only going to get better with greater exposure. Those are all great artists you listed but to attempt to quantify that they are any more talented or creative than contemporaries is a silly exercise. It's art. This is a small list of random artists that I've listened to over the past few years. Jacob Collier is a perfect example of exceptional generational talent who not only is technically mind blowing but also incredibly original. I bet every one of those artists you listed would say the same about him (if they haven't passed of course). Nate Smith likewise would be welcomed as the drummer in any one of those bands. Did you listen to the right Nate Smith?

erikbye 2y ago
> Of course they were inspired by existing artists and by a greater set of them! Inspiration is a given, and nothing wrong with that. But I often feel like instead of inspiring to new heights we get a watered down version.
- goosejuice 2y ago
  I don't know, maybe you're just not hearing what I'm hearing. Watch Cory Henry on Snarky's Lingus. Jacob Collier do his recent crowd work with the NSO. Cory Wong talk about Vulfpeck and their MSG show and never rehearsing. Hiromi and Tank and the Bangas on NPR's tiny desks. I'd say Abigail Lapell adds tremendously to the folk of the era you are referencing. Watered down is just not how I'd describe any of the musicians I listed
  - d12345m 2y ago
    I come back to that keyboard solo on Lingus every couple of months and it never fails to make my hairs stand on edge. Absolutely legendary. Larnell Lewis also delivered a world-class performance on that entire album.
- acureau 2y ago
  You seem hyper focused on comparing all that you hear to what you already know you like. If you really want to appreciate new music, cut it out. You're introducing bias at the outset. If you approach a new artist as if their work is isolated, and give it some time to settle in, I think you'll be surprised.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago
  Show me someone great who when you go to their inspiration you can't find they themselves very much creating watered down versions of their inspirations.

d12345m 2y ago

I think you may have found a different Nate Smith than the one goosejuice was referencing. They were likely referring to the drummer named Nate Smith (he's collaborated with at least one of the groups mentioned). The guy has a lot of interesting work, but I think the thing that blew me away the most is the composition 'Warble'. If memory serves, that's the piece where he explored 64th note and dotted 32nd note displacements in order to mimic J Dilla's 'wonky' swing. I've tried capturing the Dilla swing; it's nearly impossible to do on the drums without sounding like you don't know how to play the instrument. Nate Smith, on the other hand, makes it sound fantastic. The guy is a wizard.

erikbye 2y ago
You're right, stumbled upon the wrong Nate.