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Can you not add plugins to Wordpress?

by dannyobrien 2y ago

kube-system 2y ago
You cannot install Debian or Windows 11 on Wordpress.
- pavon 2y ago
  It applies to any "software that is not predefined". An OS is just an non-exhaustive example of one type of software that applies.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    The next sentence is: > The consumer [...] has control over the operating systems, storage, and any deployed applications. That was just a snippet of the full definition here: https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-01580/p-46 https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-01580/p-46
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      There are two possibilities here. First, the rule applies to WordPress and all that kind of thing, and then providers would have to KYC WordPress users. Which is a reason not to pass it. Second, the rule is completely pointless, because it doesn't, and then anyone could create an AI training WordPress plugin that uses whatever arbitrarily fast hardware the server has and thereby easily bypass the rule. Which is a reason not to pass it.
      - kube-system 2y ago
        That's silly, no Wordpress hosting has H100 GPUs hooked up to it. If you skim the full context of this proposal and the topics it focuses on (dedicated servers, virtual servers, AI acceleration), and you've been paying attention to current geopolitics in these areas (top chips being sanctioned), it is completely obvious that goal here is to prevent things like evading sanctions by renting hardware instead of buying it.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        What stops them? You could have a WordPress plugin that uses Stable Diffusion to generate images, or encodes uploaded video, or provides an AI chatbot, and needs fast GPUs because there are a lot of users. Providers will supply anything the customer is willing to pay for. The expected AI plugins would be doing inference rather than training, but the user could use the same hardware for plugins that do something else.
        kube-system 2y ago
        > Providers will supply anything the customer is willing to pay for. I suppose every company and every service should be in scope for KYC then. /s But the reality is that Wordpress hosts are not in the business of renting people dedicated servers the price of a nice house. And if they were asked to do so, it wouldn't be a simple automated request without scrutiny.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        In 2010 it wouldn't have been an automated request. Now there is plenty of demand for it to do inference and some providers are likely to start offering it if they don't already. You're also assuming the providers are interested in preventing foreigners from using their systems for AI training, rather than being interested in making as much money as possible without violating the letter of the law. The latter is one of the reasons rules like this are simultaneously so expensive and ineffective. Provider A decides to KYC everybody because they're big and risk averse, so the rules inconvenience millions of innocent people. Provider B wants to make money selling GPUs to foreigners, so they implicitly choose a structure that allows that to happen if the rules contain any loopholes whatsoever. (This ignoring that foreign customers could just switch to foreign hosts and cost US companies business for no reason.) And if the premise is the level of resources being consumed rather than the type of service then why don't the rules exempt anyone spending less than e.g. $50,000/month? That would be almost everyone while still not being anyone buying enough compute to do major AI training. It still wouldn't work but at least it would have much less overhead.
- sokoloff 2y ago
  I think it’s most reasonable to read that as “includes [all of these examples]” not “excludes if it can’t [any of these examples]” AWS Lambda would clearly (IMO) be in-scope as IaaS by this definition, as an example, even though I can’t install another OS.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    AWS Lambda qualifies because it is part of AWS and an AWS account gives you access to EC2 which definitely qualifies.
- Izkata 2y ago
  "and applications", not just operating systems.
- deleted 2y ago
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Can you not add plugins to Wordpress?

kube-system 2y ago

You cannot install Debian or Windows 11 on Wordpress.

pavon 2y ago
It applies to any "software that is not predefined". An OS is just an non-exhaustive example of one type of software that applies.
- kube-system 2y ago
  The next sentence is: > The consumer [...] has control over the operating systems, storage, and any deployed applications. That was just a snippet of the full definition here: https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-01580/p-46 https://www.federalregister.gov/d/2024-01580/p-46
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    There are two possibilities here. First, the rule applies to WordPress and all that kind of thing, and then providers would have to KYC WordPress users. Which is a reason not to pass it. Second, the rule is completely pointless, because it doesn't, and then anyone could create an AI training WordPress plugin that uses whatever arbitrarily fast hardware the server has and thereby easily bypass the rule. Which is a reason not to pass it.
    - kube-system 2y ago
      That's silly, no Wordpress hosting has H100 GPUs hooked up to it. If you skim the full context of this proposal and the topics it focuses on (dedicated servers, virtual servers, AI acceleration), and you've been paying attention to current geopolitics in these areas (top chips being sanctioned), it is completely obvious that goal here is to prevent things like evading sanctions by renting hardware instead of buying it.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        What stops them? You could have a WordPress plugin that uses Stable Diffusion to generate images, or encodes uploaded video, or provides an AI chatbot, and needs fast GPUs because there are a lot of users. Providers will supply anything the customer is willing to pay for. The expected AI plugins would be doing inference rather than training, but the user could use the same hardware for plugins that do something else.
        kube-system 2y ago
        > Providers will supply anything the customer is willing to pay for. I suppose every company and every service should be in scope for KYC then. /s But the reality is that Wordpress hosts are not in the business of renting people dedicated servers the price of a nice house. And if they were asked to do so, it wouldn't be a simple automated request without scrutiny.
        AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        In 2010 it wouldn't have been an automated request. Now there is plenty of demand for it to do inference and some providers are likely to start offering it if they don't already. You're also assuming the providers are interested in preventing foreigners from using their systems for AI training, rather than being interested in making as much money as possible without violating the letter of the law. The latter is one of the reasons rules like this are simultaneously so expensive and ineffective. Provider A decides to KYC everybody because they're big and risk averse, so the rules inconvenience millions of innocent people. Provider B wants to make money selling GPUs to foreigners, so they implicitly choose a structure that allows that to happen if the rules contain any loopholes whatsoever. (This ignoring that foreign customers could just switch to foreign hosts and cost US companies business for no reason.) And if the premise is the level of resources being consumed rather than the type of service then why don't the rules exempt anyone spending less than e.g. $50,000/month? That would be almost everyone while still not being anyone buying enough compute to do major AI training. It still wouldn't work but at least it would have much less overhead.
sokoloff 2y ago
I think it’s most reasonable to read that as “includes [all of these examples]” not “excludes if it can’t [any of these examples]” AWS Lambda would clearly (IMO) be in-scope as IaaS by this definition, as an example, even though I can’t install another OS.
- kube-system 2y ago
  AWS Lambda qualifies because it is part of AWS and an AWS account gives you access to EC2 which definitely qualifies.
Izkata 2y ago
"and applications", not just operating systems.
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