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This is so f*cking bananas, don't believe the hype - slavery isn't dead in the US.

by jprd 2y ago

rjbwork 2y ago
Not only is it not dead, it has been intentionally and painstakingly reconstructed over the past ~150 years.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  There is a non-insignificant cohort of the electorate who votes for this intentionally. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157954 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157954
redeeman 2y ago
or anywhere else. the kings protection money must be paid, or else. You might call it fancy words to distract, but it is what it is
Clubber 2y ago
It never was, the 13th amendment (which abolishes slavery) has an exception for convicted citizens: AMENDMENT XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
EA-3167 2y ago
Don't kid yourself, this isn't some widespread issue in the US, this is Florida being Florida.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
This is a horrible thing, but it's not slavery. That's just a rhetorical device.
- michaelmrose 2y ago
  You can be jailed for not paying your fines. They will at minimum pay interest and payments towards principal for life and could at maximum be incarcerated and enslaved in fact whilest incurring additional fines.
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    I see what you're saying, all I'm saying is that a society with debtors prisons and issues with their penal system is bad - very bad - but doesn't constitute the conditions or nearly in much in common with slavery as you're making it out. Invoking "slavery" like this and making it seem like you mean this "literally" always seems ineffective and inflammatory to me.
    - michaelmrose 2y ago
      When they ended slavery they explicitly carved out an exemption for prisoners who could still legally be enslaved. These prisoners are by and large majority minority and are often used by the state to enrich themselves. EG its a huge cost to the country but a given county where a prison is situated gets a lot of the money so spent, prison guard unions earn money from their members, everyone working in the industry makes money, companies are able to make money from cheap labor, in some cases private prison companies are directly enriched. In response to this said parties lobby heavily for more enslavement. This is often accomplished by over policing minorities especially for drug related offenses, turning the penal system deliberately into slide into interested parties pockets instead of a ladder up, setting policy with an eye to increasing costs as opposed to benefiting society. In at least a few cases judges were literally caught selling children into slavery. In exchange for kickbacks from a private prison company they were sentencing offenders to maximum sentences. The bad thing is that were someone unjustly enslaved merely for the color of their skin we should all rush to break their chains. Someone enslaved by a system which shook them down in hopes of finding drugs and then ruined their lives there is no sympathy because they are the villain. America never ended slavery they just found a way to justify it.
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This is so f*cking bananas, don't believe the hype - slavery isn't dead in the US.

by jprd 2y ago

This is so f*cking bananas, don't believe the hype - slavery isn't dead in the US.

rjbwork 2y ago

Not only is it not dead, it has been intentionally and painstakingly reconstructed over the past ~150 years.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
There is a non-insignificant cohort of the electorate who votes for this intentionally. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157954 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40157954

redeeman 2y ago

or anywhere else. the kings protection money must be paid, or else. You might call it fancy words to distract, but it is what it is

Clubber 2y ago

It never was, the 13th amendment (which abolishes slavery) has an exception for convicted citizens: AMENDMENT XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

EA-3167 2y ago

Don't kid yourself, this isn't some widespread issue in the US, this is Florida being Florida.

DiggyJohnson 2y ago

This is a horrible thing, but it's not slavery. That's just a rhetorical device.

michaelmrose 2y ago
You can be jailed for not paying your fines. They will at minimum pay interest and payments towards principal for life and could at maximum be incarcerated and enslaved in fact whilest incurring additional fines.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  I see what you're saying, all I'm saying is that a society with debtors prisons and issues with their penal system is bad - very bad - but doesn't constitute the conditions or nearly in much in common with slavery as you're making it out. Invoking "slavery" like this and making it seem like you mean this "literally" always seems ineffective and inflammatory to me.
  - michaelmrose 2y ago
    When they ended slavery they explicitly carved out an exemption for prisoners who could still legally be enslaved. These prisoners are by and large majority minority and are often used by the state to enrich themselves. EG its a huge cost to the country but a given county where a prison is situated gets a lot of the money so spent, prison guard unions earn money from their members, everyone working in the industry makes money, companies are able to make money from cheap labor, in some cases private prison companies are directly enriched. In response to this said parties lobby heavily for more enslavement. This is often accomplished by over policing minorities especially for drug related offenses, turning the penal system deliberately into slide into interested parties pockets instead of a ladder up, setting policy with an eye to increasing costs as opposed to benefiting society. In at least a few cases judges were literally caught selling children into slavery. In exchange for kickbacks from a private prison company they were sentencing offenders to maximum sentences. The bad thing is that were someone unjustly enslaved merely for the color of their skin we should all rush to break their chains. Someone enslaved by a system which shook them down in hopes of finding drugs and then ruined their lives there is no sympathy because they are the villain. America never ended slavery they just found a way to justify it.

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