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It's hard to believe, but the times of "If I won't do it, someone else will." are back and it seems people forgot the lesson. It is my honest opinion that anyon

by Garvi 2y ago

It's hard to believe, but the times of "If I won't do it, someone else will." are back and it seems people forgot the lesson. It is my honest opinion that anyone who works on such weapons is a monster. 3 years ago this topic would be full of people protesting this. Pointing out the inhumanity, the potential for abuse, the hypocrisy, the dangers of desensitizing war. Censorship changed the game entirely.

merman 2y ago
let’s all be diplomats instead. That will save our allies!
- ajmurmann 2y ago
  Let's also focus on telling our allies to always restrain themselves when fighting their enemies.
  - merman 2y ago
    Yes, in a historic war of civilization versus the opposite, against a foe that uses your humanity as a weakness, it becomes very confusing who is right and who is wrong.
mistercheph 2y ago
C'mon, man!
galangalalgol 2y ago
That is indeed a horrible excuse for any action. But having been here for well over 3 years I think there has always been a diversity of opinions on such things. This is very far from an echo chamber, which is a good thing! I just hope ycombinator never tries to monetize that diversity of thought the way /. did by feeding in tangentially techincal topics they knew would be controversial. Not everyone here thinks pacifism is a good idea, not everyone here thinks the MIC is just a jobs program, not everyone here is even on the human's side in the Butlerian jihad. I'm glad they post because I am never completely sure of any of my views and they may have good arguments. And if we talk to each other it moderates the polarization.
some_random 2y ago
It wasn't censorship, it was the Invasion of Ukraine that woke up most of your fellow pacifists. They saw civilians being butchered in a pointless, egotistical invasion of a peaceful country. They saw protests in Russia being brutally and quickly crushed. So they realized that there are in fact threats in the world that aren't going to be defeated through self sacrifice and empathetic dialogue and instead needs to be subdued with firepower.

by Garvi 2y ago

merman 2y ago

let’s all be diplomats instead. That will save our allies!

ajmurmann 2y ago
Let's also focus on telling our allies to always restrain themselves when fighting their enemies.
- merman 2y ago
  Yes, in a historic war of civilization versus the opposite, against a foe that uses your humanity as a weakness, it becomes very confusing who is right and who is wrong.

mistercheph 2y ago

C'mon, man!

galangalalgol 2y ago

That is indeed a horrible excuse for any action. But having been here for well over 3 years I think there has always been a diversity of opinions on such things. This is very far from an echo chamber, which is a good thing! I just hope ycombinator never tries to monetize that diversity of thought the way /. did by feeding in tangentially techincal topics they knew would be controversial. Not everyone here thinks pacifism is a good idea, not everyone here thinks the MIC is just a jobs program, not everyone here is even on the human's side in the Butlerian jihad. I'm glad they post because I am never completely sure of any of my views and they may have good arguments. And if we talk to each other it moderates the polarization.

some_random 2y ago

It wasn't censorship, it was the Invasion of Ukraine that woke up most of your fellow pacifists. They saw civilians being butchered in a pointless, egotistical invasion of a peaceful country. They saw protests in Russia being brutally and quickly crushed. So they realized that there are in fact threats in the world that aren't going to be defeated through self sacrifice and empathetic dialogue and instead needs to be subdued with firepower.