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Aduril, "the flame of the west", was the name of Aragorn's sword which he used to defend his lands from Saruman's army. I honestly can't imagine a more respectf

Aduril, "the flame of the west", was the name of Aragorn's sword which he used to defend his lands from Saruman's army. I honestly can't imagine a more respectful usage of the name. The Tolkien estate should be proud.

vasco 2y ago
Let's not pretend this isn't a more complex issue. "Should be proud" depends on their views of the military industrial complex, and the characterization of who is the "good guys" and "bad guys" is also much more complex in the real world. The US Empire isn't some pure benefector "protector of freedom" for the world. And it's also not an evil empire out to destroy the world. So it'd be reasonable to be against the use as it'd be for it.
- AlchemistCamp 2y ago
  Anduril is largely an outsider attempting to disrupt "the military industrial complex" you speak of. To put it more bluntly, Tolkein was British. He lived through WWII. What other country in the world can you think of that has, would or even can fight as the UK's "protector of freedom" in the way that the US has? Amazingly, even in the case of the Ukraine war, which is right at the EU's border, it's America that's provided the most support. Even Korea has done more than many EU countries have.
  - vasco 2y ago
    You're defending one side of the position when I just said I can see both sides thinking they are right being a tennable position to hold. I don't disagre with your view, the same way I can see someone who is opposed to war being opposed to the usage.
    - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
      The "other side" isn't being opposed to war. The other side is actively starting wars by invading its neighbors or trying to take their territory. Anduril has played a critical role in defending Ukraine, but it has not created weapons used to invade Russia or any other country. > the same way I can see someone who is opposed to war being opposed to the usage. Why wouldn't this person be opposed to the invading army instead? I could foresee a possible future where Aduril has done horrible things in future decades, but up through 2024, I see a lot of good done and not much to condemn.
      - vasco 2y ago
        You seem to not see a possibility for opposing companies like Anduril using names from fiction and also not liking other military companies from other opposing countries but such a position is valid.
        AlchemistCamp 2y ago
        Go ahead and make your case. Why is the invasion of Ukraine valid? Why would an invasion of Taiwan be valid? Can you make a coherent argument for either?
        vasco 2y ago
        I don't know what a specific war has to do with this. I really don't think you're interpreting what I'm saying correctly so I'll leave this be, because you seem to just want to figure out if I'm with you or against you where I was just making a neutral argument.
        AlchemistCamp 2y ago
        You didn't make any coherent argument at all! It would have been more productive to actually explain in concrete terms what wrongdoing you believed Anduril was involved in rather than trying to guess at my perception or understanding of your comments.
- taneq 2y ago
  > the characterization of who is the "good guys" and "bad guys" is also much more complex in the real world I dunno, the U.S.' self image is pretty much Gondor, and I don't think the books lacked nuance about how much Gondor was/wasn't the 'good guys'.
KineticLensman 2y ago
And Anduril is also a great example of reuse / recycling, as it was reforged from the shards of Narsil, the sword that got broken in a previous war with Sauron. Although one of the shards was still sufficiently usable to cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger.

vasco 2y ago

Let's not pretend this isn't a more complex issue. "Should be proud" depends on their views of the military industrial complex, and the characterization of who is the "good guys" and "bad guys" is also much more complex in the real world. The US Empire isn't some pure benefector "protector of freedom" for the world. And it's also not an evil empire out to destroy the world. So it'd be reasonable to be against the use as it'd be for it.

AlchemistCamp 2y ago
Anduril is largely an outsider attempting to disrupt "the military industrial complex" you speak of. To put it more bluntly, Tolkein was British. He lived through WWII. What other country in the world can you think of that has, would or even can fight as the UK's "protector of freedom" in the way that the US has? Amazingly, even in the case of the Ukraine war, which is right at the EU's border, it's America that's provided the most support. Even Korea has done more than many EU countries have.
- vasco 2y ago
  You're defending one side of the position when I just said I can see both sides thinking they are right being a tennable position to hold. I don't disagre with your view, the same way I can see someone who is opposed to war being opposed to the usage.
  - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
    The "other side" isn't being opposed to war. The other side is actively starting wars by invading its neighbors or trying to take their territory. Anduril has played a critical role in defending Ukraine, but it has not created weapons used to invade Russia or any other country. > the same way I can see someone who is opposed to war being opposed to the usage. Why wouldn't this person be opposed to the invading army instead? I could foresee a possible future where Aduril has done horrible things in future decades, but up through 2024, I see a lot of good done and not much to condemn.
    - vasco 2y ago
      You seem to not see a possibility for opposing companies like Anduril using names from fiction and also not liking other military companies from other opposing countries but such a position is valid.
      - AlchemistCamp 2y ago
        Go ahead and make your case. Why is the invasion of Ukraine valid? Why would an invasion of Taiwan be valid? Can you make a coherent argument for either?
        vasco 2y ago
        I don't know what a specific war has to do with this. I really don't think you're interpreting what I'm saying correctly so I'll leave this be, because you seem to just want to figure out if I'm with you or against you where I was just making a neutral argument.
        AlchemistCamp 2y ago
        You didn't make any coherent argument at all! It would have been more productive to actually explain in concrete terms what wrongdoing you believed Anduril was involved in rather than trying to guess at my perception or understanding of your comments.
taneq 2y ago
> the characterization of who is the "good guys" and "bad guys" is also much more complex in the real world I dunno, the U.S.' self image is pretty much Gondor, and I don't think the books lacked nuance about how much Gondor was/wasn't the 'good guys'.

KineticLensman 2y ago

And Anduril is also a great example of reuse / recycling, as it was reforged from the shards of Narsil, the sword that got broken in a previous war with Sauron. Although one of the shards was still sufficiently usable to cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger.