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Would you mind elaborating on what "catastrophe" my country is facing?

by squigz 3y ago

batushka3 3y ago
Open gangwars, people shot at home "mistakenly", grenade explosion, rapes - mate are you from sweden even? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/sweden-gang-violence-shootings-explosions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/sweden-gang-vi... https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-and-explosion-as-gangs-battle-in-sweden https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-an... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1177271/number-of-reported-cases-of-sexual-offence-in-sweden-by-type/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1177271/number-of-report...
- squigz 3y ago
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  - loceng 3y ago
    How about you address the points they responded to you with instead of sarcasm? You asked for details, you got details, now you avoid - so you really seem firmly indoctrinated into an unchallenged ideology - seemingly because you refuse to engage and update your knowledge/understanding?
    - squigz 3y ago
      What ideology might that be?
      - loceng 3y ago
        If you put just a bit more effort in and actually respond to people's points, including my previous ones, then I'll be willing to then expend more of my energy and answer your specific question - but it seems to just be another strategy you developed to avoid. Avoiding will only prevent you from developing your critical thinking and broaden-deepen your understanding through other people's perspectives.
        squigz 3y ago
        Who's avoiding who here?
        loceng 3y ago
        Who's on second base.
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rayiner 3y ago
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- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  Sounds like Peter Scholl-Latour: "Wer halb Kalkutta aufnimmt..." Smart man, spoke fluent arabic, and reported from the middle-east. Would be canceled immediately today.
- squigz 3y ago
  > You’re in danger of becoming India. What does this even mean? > replace a huge chunk of your population Is that what's happening? I thought we were adding, not replacing.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    Look at it this way. Would you like it if, through “addition” and natural attrition, 20% of your company was ex-McKinsey folks? Countries are the same as companies. The way they are reflects the culture and values of the people. When a large fraction of your population becomes recent immigrants from the subcontinent, your country will become more like the subcontinent. I’m part of the problem here. Half my family lives in Canada now. They’re super nice people and their food is a huge upgrade over the dreck Canadians were eating. But they’re Bangladeshi, not Canadian, in substance if not in legal technicalities. They don’t have the culture and values suitable for running an egalitarian western democracy.
    - dctoedt 3y ago
      > your country will become more like the subcontinent You really do seem to view life through a very-narrow lens; you appear to be generalizing your own family's recent, one-generation experience as though immigrant culture somehow quickly alters the host culture in major ways without that happening to the immigrants themselves. To be sure, immigrant enclaves such as the Haredim in NYC or the heavily-Muslim banlieues in France can do that. But it's generally on a very-local basis. And on a national, long-term basis: Successive generations are born to immigrant families. They marry — often to spouses from other ancestral cultures — and have their own kids. Those kids are influenced in countless ways by their teachers; their friends and other peers; the media; and other facets of mainstream culture. That's how assimilation happens: The host culture absorbs immigrants — and influences them — while borrowing from their cultures, adding new ingredients to the "alloy" (or amalgam? I'm avoiding the Melting Pot metaphor). Or at least that's what happens when the host culture doesn't engage in knee-jerk exclusionary behavior out of pathological fear of The Other and an egotistical assumption that We Know Best About All Things For All Time. (Source: As I said in another thread recently, in various ancestral lines I'm descended from immigrant grandparents, great-grandparents, and great-great grandparents, with ancestry in four different countries (possibly five; we're not sure). My kids have two more countries in their own ancestries from my wife's side, and their respective spouses have even more countries in the mix, so any kids they have will be even more of a blend.)

Would you mind elaborating on what "catastrophe" my country is facing?

by squigz 3y ago

Would you mind elaborating on what "catastrophe" my country is facing?

Open gangwars, people shot at home "mistakenly", grenade explosion, rapes - mate are you from sweden even? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/sweden-gang-violence-shootings-explosions https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/sweden-gang-vi... https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-and-explosion-as-gangs-battle-in-sweden https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/28/3-killed-in-shootings-an... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1177271/number-of-reported-cases-of-sexual-offence-in-sweden-by-type/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1177271/number-of-report...

squigz 3y ago
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- loceng 3y ago
  How about you address the points they responded to you with instead of sarcasm? You asked for details, you got details, now you avoid - so you really seem firmly indoctrinated into an unchallenged ideology - seemingly because you refuse to engage and update your knowledge/understanding?
  - squigz 3y ago
    What ideology might that be?
    - loceng 3y ago
      If you put just a bit more effort in and actually respond to people's points, including my previous ones, then I'll be willing to then expend more of my energy and answer your specific question - but it seems to just be another strategy you developed to avoid. Avoiding will only prevent you from developing your critical thinking and broaden-deepen your understanding through other people's perspectives.
      - squigz 3y ago
        Who's avoiding who here?
        loceng 3y ago
        Who's on second base.
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rayiner 3y ago

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LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
Sounds like Peter Scholl-Latour: "Wer halb Kalkutta aufnimmt..." Smart man, spoke fluent arabic, and reported from the middle-east. Would be canceled immediately today.
squigz 3y ago
> You’re in danger of becoming India. What does this even mean? > replace a huge chunk of your population Is that what's happening? I thought we were adding, not replacing.
- rayiner 3y ago
  Look at it this way. Would you like it if, through “addition” and natural attrition, 20% of your company was ex-McKinsey folks? Countries are the same as companies. The way they are reflects the culture and values of the people. When a large fraction of your population becomes recent immigrants from the subcontinent, your country will become more like the subcontinent. I’m part of the problem here. Half my family lives in Canada now. They’re super nice people and their food is a huge upgrade over the dreck Canadians were eating. But they’re Bangladeshi, not Canadian, in substance if not in legal technicalities. They don’t have the culture and values suitable for running an egalitarian western democracy.
  - dctoedt 3y ago
    > your country will become more like the subcontinent You really do seem to view life through a very-narrow lens; you appear to be generalizing your own family's recent, one-generation experience as though immigrant culture somehow quickly alters the host culture in major ways without that happening to the immigrants themselves. To be sure, immigrant enclaves such as the Haredim in NYC or the heavily-Muslim banlieues in France can do that. But it's generally on a very-local basis. And on a national, long-term basis: Successive generations are born to immigrant families. They marry — often to spouses from other ancestral cultures — and have their own kids. Those kids are influenced in countless ways by their teachers; their friends and other peers; the media; and other facets of mainstream culture. That's how assimilation happens: The host culture absorbs immigrants — and influences them — while borrowing from their cultures, adding new ingredients to the "alloy" (or amalgam? I'm avoiding the Melting Pot metaphor). Or at least that's what happens when the host culture doesn't engage in knee-jerk exclusionary behavior out of pathological fear of The Other and an egotistical assumption that We Know Best About All Things For All Time. (Source: As I said in another thread recently, in various ancestral lines I'm descended from immigrant grandparents, great-grandparents, and great-great grandparents, with ancestry in four different countries (possibly five; we're not sure). My kids have two more countries in their own ancestries from my wife's side, and their respective spouses have even more countries in the mix, so any kids they have will be even more of a blend.)