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Now, let's have other countries doing the same to Meta, Google, Microsoft and the likes. They all collect the data and send them to a foreign country (USA). The

Now, let's have other countries doing the same to Meta, Google, Microsoft and the likes. They all collect the data and send them to a foreign country (USA). They also use their algorithms to manipulate public meaning and to censor opposite opinions. Oh, and a US company spaying foreign citizens in not only legal in the USA, but also required.

hobo_mark 3y ago
> spaying foreign citizens now that would be a bridge too far...
- miroljub 3y ago
  Hey, you found a typo, and that made me learn a new English word. Thanks for being a spelling-nazi :)
tjarrett 3y ago
Frankly... other countries should probably consider this IF they have an adversarial relationship with the US. And they already do -- neither China nor Russia allow Meta services in their countries. Nor do they allow most of Google's services.
- miroljub 3y ago
  That means the data of US enemies is much safer than the data of US vassals^H allies.
  - tjarrett 3y ago
    I'm trying to understand this. I guess by "safer" you mean "less accessible by the US" and I suppose that is likely "true". But would you rather be in China and send an anti-Chinese message to your friend via... some app that China allows? Or would you rather be in the US and send an anti-US message to a friend? Both countries are going to try and snoop that data. Both are going to be successful. But in which would you feel "safer" -- meaning in which one is the government likely to take action against you?
    - miroljub 2y ago
      If I lived in China, I would rather be spied by the USA, and not by the Chinese government. But since I live in the "west", I'd rather be spied by China and Russia, than by the USA or any of their allies and vassals. That being said, I'd rather be spied on by the government, than by my wife, family, and friends. People and organizations I don't have to deal with are less of a threat to me.
- m000 3y ago
  Does having the pipe that gets you cheap gas blown up by the US count as an adversarial relationship? /s
  - tjarrett 3y ago
    Yeah probably...

hobo_mark 3y ago

> spaying foreign citizens now that would be a bridge too far...

miroljub 3y ago
Hey, you found a typo, and that made me learn a new English word. Thanks for being a spelling-nazi :)

tjarrett 3y ago

Frankly... other countries should probably consider this IF they have an adversarial relationship with the US. And they already do -- neither China nor Russia allow Meta services in their countries. Nor do they allow most of Google's services.

miroljub 3y ago
That means the data of US enemies is much safer than the data of US vassals^H allies.
- tjarrett 3y ago
  I'm trying to understand this. I guess by "safer" you mean "less accessible by the US" and I suppose that is likely "true". But would you rather be in China and send an anti-Chinese message to your friend via... some app that China allows? Or would you rather be in the US and send an anti-US message to a friend? Both countries are going to try and snoop that data. Both are going to be successful. But in which would you feel "safer" -- meaning in which one is the government likely to take action against you?
  - miroljub 2y ago
    If I lived in China, I would rather be spied by the USA, and not by the Chinese government. But since I live in the "west", I'd rather be spied by China and Russia, than by the USA or any of their allies and vassals. That being said, I'd rather be spied on by the government, than by my wife, family, and friends. People and organizations I don't have to deal with are less of a threat to me.
m000 3y ago
Does having the pipe that gets you cheap gas blown up by the US count as an adversarial relationship? /s
- tjarrett 3y ago
  Yeah probably...