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Of course, it's always "the others" who clearly are morally questionable.

atemerev 3y ago
I am saying this as the "other". I am Russian (though not living in the country anymore). My country has started an unforgivable war of aggression. It is my imperative to do anything I can to remedy this. Some things are quite morally clear.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  As also Russian I'm with you on this, let me get my share of downvotes
- throwaway290 2y ago
  > though not living in the country anymor What do you think about the new law regarding not issuing passports abroad? Will return or have another citizenship?
  - atemerev 2y ago
    The law is not there yet, the document was fake. But still it is possible. I can’t return, and I won’t be able to get a citizenship of the country I currently live in. Guess I will live as a stateless person.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      Same. Thinking to move somewhere that's less likely to deport a stateless person... Didn't know it's fake, thanks
explaininjs 3y ago
Yes, the aggressor would be the one to call out, not the defender.
- breakfastduck 3y ago
  It's a rather large leap imo to actually respect the terminology of 'Defence' in that regard, completely ignoring their obvious engagement with offensive action.
- vasco 3y ago
  That'd be simple if you could identify "the beginning", but normally in conflicts what happens is both sides think they're right due to some pre-existing claim.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Easy to resolve. Who started the aggression now? That's the guy. Done!
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Yes, the unexpectedly effective brute force solution to the eternal bickering siblings problem: "I don't care who started it, I'm ending it!". Typically invoked immediately after the stronger party commits such a disproportionally large show of power as to attract your attention anew to their otherwise minor long-term petty dispute.
flyinglizard 3y ago
If you want to live (and prosper), you can't put everyone's interests and morals at the same level as yours. There needs to be some self perseverance.
llamaimperative 3y ago
Not always, but definitely in the Russia-Ukraine case it is.

I am saying this as the "other". I am Russian (though not living in the country anymore). My country has started an unforgivable war of aggression. It is my imperative to do anything I can to remedy this. Some things are quite morally clear.

throwaway290 3y ago
As also Russian I'm with you on this, let me get my share of downvotes
throwaway290 2y ago
> though not living in the country anymor What do you think about the new law regarding not issuing passports abroad? Will return or have another citizenship?
- atemerev 2y ago
  The law is not there yet, the document was fake. But still it is possible. I can’t return, and I won’t be able to get a citizenship of the country I currently live in. Guess I will live as a stateless person.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    Same. Thinking to move somewhere that's less likely to deport a stateless person... Didn't know it's fake, thanks

explaininjs 3y ago

Yes, the aggressor would be the one to call out, not the defender.

breakfastduck 3y ago
It's a rather large leap imo to actually respect the terminology of 'Defence' in that regard, completely ignoring their obvious engagement with offensive action.
vasco 3y ago
That'd be simple if you could identify "the beginning", but normally in conflicts what happens is both sides think they're right due to some pre-existing claim.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Easy to resolve. Who started the aggression now? That's the guy. Done!
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Yes, the unexpectedly effective brute force solution to the eternal bickering siblings problem: "I don't care who started it, I'm ending it!". Typically invoked immediately after the stronger party commits such a disproportionally large show of power as to attract your attention anew to their otherwise minor long-term petty dispute.

flyinglizard 3y ago

If you want to live (and prosper), you can't put everyone's interests and morals at the same level as yours. There needs to be some self perseverance.

llamaimperative 3y ago

Not always, but definitely in the Russia-Ukraine case it is.