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This whole thing is baffling to me. What are you talking about? What enemy? I would rather someone in China has my information than my own government. China
by fallingfrog 2y ago
This whole thing is baffling to me. What are you talking about? What enemy? I would rather someone in China has my information than my own government. China has no power over me; my own government does. I don’t care if china knows whether I like cheesecake better than blueberry pie. They’re interested in monitoring their own citizens, im sure- for the same reasons our own government agencies and corporate behemoths monitor ours. But I don’t see what use china could have for data about Americans.
Look: the Cold War is over. And communism is a red herring. The world has changed. For some reason Americas elites view TikTok as a threat, probably because they don’t have the kind of total access to their servers that they’re accustomed to with American firms. But that has little to do with regular Americans. And there’s no argument other than decades old red baiting tropes they can think of to try to get us to care.
- Log_out_ 2y agoThe cold war of authoritarian VS democracy never ended. And China has the ability to turn anyone with mainland access into a asset by holding family hostage and models itself after the British empire. The Indians did have no quarrel with the king of India, until they did. Westcentrism and neutrality are no strategy now that the fascists march again.
- fallingfrog 2y agoWord salad. There isn’t really any coherent thought there for me to respond to.
- Log_out_ 2y agoWorldviewsalad, there is no coherent concept for me to reply to. Not even values.
- fallingfrog 2y agoSeparating the world into “good guys” and “bad guys” does not constitute “values”. That is the thinking of a child.
- tadasZ 2y agoi don't think "cold war is over", in a way it is, but the amount of propaganda tik toks blows my mind and the most important thing is - it's so one sided, that i fully support this bill/law or what it is, EU should do something too.
- gigatexal 2y agoSame. The wall fell as did Russian communism but it just swapped antagonists. Now it’s the Chinese government.
- fallingfrog 2y agoScaring people is a great way to get them to stop asking awkward questions.
- severino 2y ago> i fully support this bill/law or what it is, EU should do something too. Reading your comment, it's pretty obvious that we should do something about propaganda here in the EU. About US propaganda I mean.
- gigatexal 2y agoCommerce is not zero sum. When done right both parties gain something. But China’s ambitions directly counter those of the United States. They’re propping up Russia against Ukraine for example. Use of heavy state subsidies and lack of environmental controls mean they can flood the world with cheap solar destroying the incentives for local production. When all the world is dependent on China for something they then hold outside impact. To not see the coming conflict be it cold or otherwise or not see the CCP for what it is is just ludicrous to me. They want to — and as they should — become to dominant world power and reshape things as they see fit. They will take Taiwan by force and it is zero sum: either China and its allies become the world’s leading economy and lead on things or the US and it’s allies remain in “power” and the west continues. This is the threat. Now I’ve nothing against the people of China. It’s the government that I don’t trust.
- raxxorraxor 2y agoOn economic grounds this basically describes what every developing country would try to do as an offensive and hostile action. But on topic I still think the ban is still old men barking at cloud. Somehow embarrassing really.
- m000 2y ago> They’re propping up Russia against Ukraine for example. That's a funny argument, given that the same piece of legislation with the TikTok "ban" also includes a(nother) $60.8 billion package for Ukraine [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/us/politics/senate-aid-package-ukraine-israel-taiwan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/us/politics/senate-aid-pa...
- fallingfrog 2y agoOk but even if I accept all that, what does it have to do with TikTok specifically? I feel like all these arguments just come down to “China bad, therefore anything that annoys China is good” which is silly and juvenile reasoning
- qaq 2y agoCold war is over we are in the era of empires starting actual wars to annex other countries that is def not a cold war.
- fallingfrog 2y agoYou are attempting to link Russia invading Ukraine with TikTok? I’d love to see the chain of reasoning here.
- qaq 2y agoCCP controls TiKTok CCP supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine CCP suppresses videos on Ukrainian war on TikTok
- notTooFarGone 2y agoSo how are you so sure that TikTok doesn't sell the data to the US anyway? This way the same thing happens and china did also make some money. I don't see the argument that china having your data is somehow better than your government.
- fallingfrog 2y agoBecause china doesn’t have direct power over me, and so there’s not much they can do with the data that affects me.