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> I also wonder if the the KSA should be forced to divest from Twitter. There is no equivalence. The KSA has no ability or ambition to shape the world. The roy

by jeswin 3y ago

> I also wonder if the the KSA should be forced to divest from Twitter. There is no equivalence. The KSA has no ability or ambition to shape the world. The royal family just wants to keep their kingdom business running, and even for that they're dependent on the US.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
> The KSA has no ability or ambition to shape the world. This seems obviously false. They host conferences talking about how they want to shape the world. KSA has interests, and they will want to use any power they have to further their interests.
- jeswin 3y ago
  China's economy is 20 times their size, and their population about 40 times larger. And there's no comparison in industrial capability.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    How is this at all a response to the parent comment?
consumer451 3y ago
I wish that was the case. However, as a friend of human liberty, I cannot forget the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. [0] While I would like to agree that KSA doesn't care about the rest of the world, and each culture should have their own space, the bone-saw story does prove that there are human factors which bind us all together. We all do live on one small rock, after all. [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20190110153304/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/why-bring-a-bonesaw-to-a-kidnapping-your-highness/2018/11/18/99783f56-e9ca-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html http://web.archive.org/web/20190110153304/https://www.washin...
- jeswin 3y ago
  If the United States didn't exist when the Soviets were around, we'd have been living in one giant North Korea. That's why more needs to be done with the CCP, which is rapidly advancing their military and is already the preeminent industrial power. Jamal Khashoggi is just one man. Tragedy it may be, but insignificant in the larger context.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Your ideology will murder us all, each one at a time, until none of us are left. There is an alternative, and that is that we will win, as we always do. When a simple, predictable man like Putin, or Xi, make themselves emperor for life, they prove the fragility of their system. Their system cannot survive beyond them. It is the final call. Just as it was in Germany, France, Portugal, Spain... all of the imperial powers had to lose their final war. Soon, you will lose yours. Finally your people will become "Western," aka peaceful. All it takes is losing the final imperial ambition. I welcome you to the future. My family has lived through these idiotic ambitions for many generations. This is why I am still here, speaking to you. We will live through it again, until we are all at peace. Cheers.
    - jeswin 3y ago
      > Their system cannot survive beyond them. I am old enough to remember the cold war times. The Soviet Union disintegrated because they never built an economy. Until Gorbachev, the communists did maintain their grip. If they had an economy like China has, the Soviet Union might have still been around. Also Xi is not Putin, and the CCP (and generally Communist Parties) are not United Russia. > There is an alternative, and that is that we will win, as we always do. Sure. But maintain the highest level of deterrence.
      - consumer451 3y ago
        The deterrence is that I am alive. Neither the Nazis, nor the their Soviet allies could destroy my family. [0] They could not destroy Europe as much as they tried. We are still here. Ukraine, is a rising democracy and is still here. Please my brother, just as each European country had to lose their empires, to finally win our own independence from the specter of imperialist thought. So must you. The Russian people deserve this more than anyone. It's about effing time my brother. Play this loud my friend!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1AmMt6A9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1AmMt6A9s [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

by jeswin 3y ago

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

> The KSA has no ability or ambition to shape the world. This seems obviously false. They host conferences talking about how they want to shape the world. KSA has interests, and they will want to use any power they have to further their interests.

jeswin 3y ago
China's economy is 20 times their size, and their population about 40 times larger. And there's no comparison in industrial capability.
- consumer451 3y ago
  How is this at all a response to the parent comment?

consumer451 3y ago

I wish that was the case. However, as a friend of human liberty, I cannot forget the murder of Jamal Khashoggi. [0] While I would like to agree that KSA doesn't care about the rest of the world, and each culture should have their own space, the bone-saw story does prove that there are human factors which bind us all together. We all do live on one small rock, after all. [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20190110153304/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/why-bring-a-bonesaw-to-a-kidnapping-your-highness/2018/11/18/99783f56-e9ca-11e8-bbdb-72fdbf9d4fed_story.html http://web.archive.org/web/20190110153304/https://www.washin...

jeswin 3y ago
If the United States didn't exist when the Soviets were around, we'd have been living in one giant North Korea. That's why more needs to be done with the CCP, which is rapidly advancing their military and is already the preeminent industrial power. Jamal Khashoggi is just one man. Tragedy it may be, but insignificant in the larger context.
- consumer451 3y ago
  Your ideology will murder us all, each one at a time, until none of us are left. There is an alternative, and that is that we will win, as we always do. When a simple, predictable man like Putin, or Xi, make themselves emperor for life, they prove the fragility of their system. Their system cannot survive beyond them. It is the final call. Just as it was in Germany, France, Portugal, Spain... all of the imperial powers had to lose their final war. Soon, you will lose yours. Finally your people will become "Western," aka peaceful. All it takes is losing the final imperial ambition. I welcome you to the future. My family has lived through these idiotic ambitions for many generations. This is why I am still here, speaking to you. We will live through it again, until we are all at peace. Cheers.
  - jeswin 3y ago
    > Their system cannot survive beyond them. I am old enough to remember the cold war times. The Soviet Union disintegrated because they never built an economy. Until Gorbachev, the communists did maintain their grip. If they had an economy like China has, the Soviet Union might have still been around. Also Xi is not Putin, and the CCP (and generally Communist Parties) are not United Russia. > There is an alternative, and that is that we will win, as we always do. Sure. But maintain the highest level of deterrence.
    - consumer451 3y ago
      The deterrence is that I am alive. Neither the Nazis, nor the their Soviet allies could destroy my family. [0] They could not destroy Europe as much as they tried. We are still here. Ukraine, is a rising democracy and is still here. Please my brother, just as each European country had to lose their empires, to finally win our own independence from the specter of imperialist thought. So must you. The Russian people deserve this more than anyone. It's about effing time my brother. Play this loud my friend!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1AmMt6A9s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1AmMt6A9s [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...