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Not only this opiod thing but this McKinsey outfit has singlehandedly responsible for Canada's recent immigration policy which many regard as failure with a str

by spxneo 2y ago

Not only this opiod thing but this McKinsey outfit has singlehandedly responsible for Canada's recent immigration policy which many regard as failure with a strangely generous contract awarded by Trudeau It's rather bizarre to hand off key policies such as immigration to a foreign consulting company, one which is controversial enough.

achow 2y ago
Quick search.. Trudeau government had spent $66 million on sole-sourced McKinsey contracts since coming to power in 2015... under the Liberals McKinsey contracts have “exploded” by a factor of 30, according to Radio-Canada. This is particularly true at Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, where insiders have fingered McKinsey with designing the Trudeau government’s policy of dramatically ramping up immigration to unprecedented levels. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-canada-the-latest-country-accused-of-handing-outsized-power-to-mckinsey https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-canada-the-la...
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  8M per year is not very much
  - snapcaster 2y ago
    People commit murder over far far less
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      … sure? But my point is that this is not a lot of work. I find the claim that it had exploded 30x to be almost impossible. Because you will struggle to do a single McKinsey project for 1/30th of 8M.
      - rpdillon 2y ago
        You took the 66M and ammortized it annually, which backed you into the "You can't hire McKinsey for 1/30th of $8M" corner. The orignal source is trivial to find, and makes the calculation using total amounts during the respective terms. > In the nine years of the Harper government, McKinsey was awarded $2.2 million in federal contracts. During Trudeau's seven years in office, the company has received $66 million from the federal government. https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1946212/the-value-of-one-consulting-firms-federal-contracts-has-skyrocketed-under-the-trudeau-government https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1946212/the-value-of...
        jncfhnb 2y ago
        Ok sure. Shrug. It’s still not a very large figure. 8M per year is small.
bitcharmer 2y ago
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- southerntofu 2y ago
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  - loceng 2y ago
    Have you looked up the statistics and not viewed it from a race lens? Do you have the belief that the way immigration is structured can't ever "be a problem"? I'd recommend looking into the quality of life and cost of living data in Canada, all the metrics that are related, and how they have changed in just the last 8 years - and ideally you find out what the source cause(s) are for that as well - government policy wise. I'm curious what data you think is hard to find, or what data you think is or isn't relevant and related to suggesting if "immigration is a problem" or not? Also, could you agree at least that immigration could be structured well to certainly maximize for its positives like you state including being a driving force for technological/social progress - and that could be where most of the accurately kept historical data comes from - at the same time then it's possible that immigration policy and processes could possibly dramatically change and harm the local population, especially the poorest, perhaps inadvertently due to incompetent governance - or perhaps through malice and alterior motives? Harming the poorest the most being an example of being counter to social progress, unless you don't give any value to the poor who are already citizens living in a place - and value immigrants more for how they could potentially benefit society; or they could make things far worse - especially if there's no proper vetting, right? You've also simply made unsubstantiated-unsupported claims, not linking to any data or evidence to support your statements - while ironically calling out the person you're replying to wanting them to actually explain it with some detail. Would you for example consider if rent/housing costs went up by 400% in a short period, and the majority of youth can no longer afford to buy a home - would you chalk that up to immigration playing any role of that, or would your claim be that it doesn't have a major impact?
    - southerntofu 2y ago

by spxneo 2y ago

achow 2y ago

Quick search.. Trudeau government had spent $66 million on sole-sourced McKinsey contracts since coming to power in 2015... under the Liberals McKinsey contracts have “exploded” by a factor of 30, according to Radio-Canada. This is particularly true at Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, where insiders have fingered McKinsey with designing the Trudeau government’s policy of dramatically ramping up immigration to unprecedented levels. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-canada-the-latest-country-accused-of-handing-outsized-power-to-mckinsey https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-canada-the-la...

jncfhnb 2y ago
8M per year is not very much
- snapcaster 2y ago
  People commit murder over far far less
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    … sure? But my point is that this is not a lot of work. I find the claim that it had exploded 30x to be almost impossible. Because you will struggle to do a single McKinsey project for 1/30th of 8M.
    - rpdillon 2y ago
      You took the 66M and ammortized it annually, which backed you into the "You can't hire McKinsey for 1/30th of $8M" corner. The orignal source is trivial to find, and makes the calculation using total amounts during the respective terms. > In the nine years of the Harper government, McKinsey was awarded $2.2 million in federal contracts. During Trudeau's seven years in office, the company has received $66 million from the federal government. https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1946212/the-value-of-one-consulting-firms-federal-contracts-has-skyrocketed-under-the-trudeau-government https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1946212/the-value-of...
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        Ok sure. Shrug. It’s still not a very large figure. 8M per year is small.

bitcharmer 2y ago

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southerntofu 2y ago
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- loceng 2y ago
  Have you looked up the statistics and not viewed it from a race lens? Do you have the belief that the way immigration is structured can't ever "be a problem"? I'd recommend looking into the quality of life and cost of living data in Canada, all the metrics that are related, and how they have changed in just the last 8 years - and ideally you find out what the source cause(s) are for that as well - government policy wise. I'm curious what data you think is hard to find, or what data you think is or isn't relevant and related to suggesting if "immigration is a problem" or not? Also, could you agree at least that immigration could be structured well to certainly maximize for its positives like you state including being a driving force for technological/social progress - and that could be where most of the accurately kept historical data comes from - at the same time then it's possible that immigration policy and processes could possibly dramatically change and harm the local population, especially the poorest, perhaps inadvertently due to incompetent governance - or perhaps through malice and alterior motives? Harming the poorest the most being an example of being counter to social progress, unless you don't give any value to the poor who are already citizens living in a place - and value immigrants more for how they could potentially benefit society; or they could make things far worse - especially if there's no proper vetting, right? You've also simply made unsubstantiated-unsupported claims, not linking to any data or evidence to support your statements - while ironically calling out the person you're replying to wanting them to actually explain it with some detail. Would you for example consider if rent/housing costs went up by 400% in a short period, and the majority of youth can no longer afford to buy a home - would you chalk that up to immigration playing any role of that, or would your claim be that it doesn't have a major impact?
  - southerntofu 2y ago