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Anduril Selected for U.S. Air Force Collaborative Combat Aircraft Program

gnabgib 2y ago
Ongoing discussion:[0] (46 points, 3 hours ago, 34 comments) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152049
- metadat 2y ago
  Thanks, I somehow missed the NixOS drama. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152531 Are they really trying to repel defense companies via code of conduct edits? Streisand effect. Edit; Looks like this all went down 8 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351 Edit 2: @freeone3000 ok.
  - freeone3000 2y ago
    People know that defense contractors are defense contractors. This isn’t the Streisand effect, it’s the wanting-to-turn-down-money-from-people-you-don’t-like effect.
  - srid 2y ago
    > Edit; Looks like this all went down 8 months ago: It is still going on: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsorship-policy/43110 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsor... https://discourse.nixos.org/t/major-nixpkgs-contributor-leaving/44053 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/major-nixpkgs-contributor-leav... https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1767602500461375721 https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1767602500461375721
cherryteastain 2y ago
Isn't the Lord of the Rings still under copyright? How come the Tolkien estate let a bunch of companies doing morally questionable stuff use names like Anduril and Palantir?
- jl6 2y ago
  A single word cannot benefit from copyright protection, but a character can. It may be difficult to argue that Anduril and the Palantíri were characters, and even more difficult to argue that the commercial products named after them were substantially similar. Trademark protection may be more applicable, but the Tolkien estate may not have registered (or defended) trademarks for those two names, and if they did it could be argued that a defense company is not confusable with the original material. On the other hand, maybe both of those companies did secure a license from the Tolkien Estate.
  - 1oooqooq 2y ago
    the owners of the blade runner ip did prevent google from using Nexus i think
    - galangalalgol 2y ago
      Nexus is from latin, and sonotype still uses the name.
      - thaumasiotes 2y ago
        Nexus is also an ordinary English word in current use.
        Someone 2y ago
        That doesn’t necessarily make it free from trademark or copyright issues. Examples: “Apple” (https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/guidelines..., https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/appletmlist.html https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/...), “Windows” (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/trademarks https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/t..., https://query.prod.cms.rt.microsoft.com/cms/api/am/binary/RWArzw https://query.prod.cms.rt.microsoft.com/cms/api/am/binary/RW...)
max_ 2y ago
What exactly is the Anduril value proposition? I know they make drones. But Whats special about the drones the make?
- krisoft 2y ago
  Perhaps by reading the article you could answer your own question? And if you still have questions you can visit their webpage which has videos and pictures of many of their systems.
  - max_ 2y ago
    There is always a difference between marketing material and actual value propositions. People don't use AirBnB because they can "Belong anywhere". They often use it because it's cheaper than hotels. But you seldom find that in marketing material.
    - Culonavirus 2y ago
      > They often use it because it's cheaper than That's pretty much what Anduril does. "You don't have to use a Patriot missile for that!" etc.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Which is a legitimate strategic imperative in the world of asymmetric warfare. It is not good that someone can launch a $1,000 drone that requires $10,000,000 in air defense munitions to counter.
- Culonavirus 2y ago
  I don't know, but if it was me paying the bill I would care a lot about this: https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1780987267630395454 https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1780987267630395454 "the prototype was delivered ahead of schedule, and on budget" and statements like this: https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1783241461976256553 https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1783241461976256553 "We look forward to delivering CCAs on schedule, within budget, and at scale." And the scale part is important. The whole point of these CCA fleets is to have A LOT of them and for that they have to be relatively cheap to build and easy enough to produce in decent numbers. The quality of an individual CCA doesn't matter that much.
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Ongoing discussion:[0] (46 points, 3 hours ago, 34 comments) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152049

metadat 2y ago
Thanks, I somehow missed the NixOS drama. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40152531 Are they really trying to repel defense companies via code of conduct edits? Streisand effect. Edit; Looks like this all went down 8 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351 Edit 2: @freeone3000 ok.
- freeone3000 2y ago
  People know that defense contractors are defense contractors. This isn’t the Streisand effect, it’s the wanting-to-turn-down-money-from-people-you-don’t-like effect.
- srid 2y ago
  > Edit; Looks like this all went down 8 months ago: It is still going on: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsorship-policy/43110 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nixos-foundation-event-sponsor... https://discourse.nixos.org/t/major-nixpkgs-contributor-leaving/44053 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/major-nixpkgs-contributor-leav... https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1767602500461375721 https://twitter.com/sridca/status/1767602500461375721

cherryteastain 2y ago

Isn't the Lord of the Rings still under copyright? How come the Tolkien estate let a bunch of companies doing morally questionable stuff use names like Anduril and Palantir?

jl6 2y ago
A single word cannot benefit from copyright protection, but a character can. It may be difficult to argue that Anduril and the Palantíri were characters, and even more difficult to argue that the commercial products named after them were substantially similar. Trademark protection may be more applicable, but the Tolkien estate may not have registered (or defended) trademarks for those two names, and if they did it could be argued that a defense company is not confusable with the original material. On the other hand, maybe both of those companies did secure a license from the Tolkien Estate.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  the owners of the blade runner ip did prevent google from using Nexus i think
  - galangalalgol 2y ago
    Nexus is from latin, and sonotype still uses the name.
    - thaumasiotes 2y ago
      Nexus is also an ordinary English word in current use.
      - Someone 2y ago
        That doesn’t necessarily make it free from trademark or copyright issues. Examples: “Apple” (https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/guidelines..., https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/appletmlist.html https://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/trademark/...), “Windows” (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/trademarks https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/t..., https://query.prod.cms.rt.microsoft.com/cms/api/am/binary/RWArzw https://query.prod.cms.rt.microsoft.com/cms/api/am/binary/RW...)

max_ 2y ago

What exactly is the Anduril value proposition? I know they make drones. But Whats special about the drones the make?

krisoft 2y ago
Perhaps by reading the article you could answer your own question? And if you still have questions you can visit their webpage which has videos and pictures of many of their systems.
- max_ 2y ago
  There is always a difference between marketing material and actual value propositions. People don't use AirBnB because they can "Belong anywhere". They often use it because it's cheaper than hotels. But you seldom find that in marketing material.
  - Culonavirus 2y ago
    > They often use it because it's cheaper than That's pretty much what Anduril does. "You don't have to use a Patriot missile for that!" etc.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Which is a legitimate strategic imperative in the world of asymmetric warfare. It is not good that someone can launch a $1,000 drone that requires $10,000,000 in air defense munitions to counter.
Culonavirus 2y ago
I don't know, but if it was me paying the bill I would care a lot about this: https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1780987267630395454 https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1780987267630395454 "the prototype was delivered ahead of schedule, and on budget" and statements like this: https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1783241461976256553 https://twitter.com/anduriltech/status/1783241461976256553 "We look forward to delivering CCAs on schedule, within budget, and at scale." And the scale part is important. The whole point of these CCA fleets is to have A LOT of them and for that they have to be relatively cheap to build and easy enough to produce in decent numbers. The quality of an individual CCA doesn't matter that much.

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