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That term isn't in the article, and it's Wikipedia page doesn't have anything about military. It just says it's a Linux distro. I'm out of the loop.
by geor9e 3y ago
That term isn't in the article, and it's Wikipedia page doesn't have anything about military. It just says it's a Linux distro. I'm out of the loop.
- ordinaryradical 3y agoSome of the more leftwing NixOS contributors hate that Anduril is using their technology and are trying to keep them from contributing/sponsoring/etc. via code of conduct changes.
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- CamperBob2 3y agoThey should hold the next conference in Kyiv.
- vkou 3y agoOnly if their warhawk counterparts hold their next shindig somewhere in Gaza (So they can see first-hand what the consequences of their work and advocacy look like).
- relativ575 3y agoKyiv would still be the right location. Russia want anything that may distract the world's attention from the crimes they commit everyday in Ukraine.
- vkou 3y agoRussia's aggression against Ukraine, started a decade ago, the war on Palestinians has been going on for ~55 years.
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoI don’t think it’s right to make comparisons like this. But if you really want to go there, have you tried comparing the death toll? In Ukraine, it’s likely around three quarters of a million dead in two years.
- blackeyeblitzar 3y agoThis comparison is irrelevant to the conversation. But even otherwise it is misleading and leaves out lots of history. The modern state of Israel has existed for that long - but if anything, it’s a war for Jewish people’s existence in land that was historically Jewish. And it wouldn’t be a “war” if Israel could exist peacefully and not constantly be threatened by terrorists. Most people don’t see a problem with a war of self defense in response to October 7, so I’m not sure what you think would happen if “warhawks” saw the “consequences” of their work. If anything, this is a low casualty conflict compared to most.
- vkou 3y agoI'm referring to the settlement land grabs and displacements that happened after 1967, not to its existence of either 1947 or 1967 borders. (Which have their own humanitarian problems, but that's something else.)
- ordinaryradical 3y agoIf you don’t want to build weapons because you don’t like the variety of ways they may be wielded, that’s a valid and reasonable ethical stance. If you don’t want to build anything that could ever potentially be used in the manufacture of those weapons, you probably shouldn’t be building open source software or contributing anything to do with any programming language at all.
- vkou 3y agoI will point out that I am well aware of, and respect the stance that bad things done multiple-degrees-removed-from-you are not, like, entirely your responsibility. Or even necessarily your responsibility at all. I did, however, have to expand on the concept that it's very easy to have strong opinions about war when you yourself are sheltered from the consequences of it.
- klausa 3y agoI think there's a big difference between "being used by" and "being active members of the community". Open Source means you can't really prohibit Anduril from using your projects; but _welcoming_ them and their money is a different matter altogether.
- AnthonyMouse 3y agoWhen the defense industry funds things they tend to go for architectures without a single point of failure and have the resources to create new things if the existing things are insufficient or adversarial. DARPA funding created the internet etc. Meanwhile if you were to get the defense industry to not use your product, they're not going to go out of business or do less of whatever you didn't like. They're going to bring the same money to someone like Oracle or Microsoft with no qualms about taking it -- or bring even more money to them, which is your tax money, as those companies charge quite a lot. This makes me suspicious that the people agitating for "don't take their money" are being subtly or not so subtly encouraged to do so by the people who want to take their money instead. After all, the historical norm is the opposite. Not just TCP/IP but Tor and SELinux and microprocessors and, considering that AT&T has long been a major defense contractor, transistors and lasers and solar panels and C and all the rest of it. Are the same people who want to refuse their money also inclined to refuse all of the other things it paid for? Would we be better off if the University of California never took a Unix license or created BSD because of where it came from?
- ranger_danger 3y agoHonestly I think military is just a scapegoat for these people, their real mission (like many before them) seems to be using the lack of CoC acceptance as their own weapon to justify bullying them for having opinions they don't like. That has always been the MO. They want the CoC to be able to silence undesired speech in the first place, and if they refuse, it becomes their strawman to allow them to keep arguing the same thing all over again. To me this reeks of the "paradox of intolerance" e.g. "you cannot be inclusive without allowing people to say things you don't like".
- 4gotunameagain 3y agoWhile the phenomenon you describe certainly exists, it is vital to separate it from the phenomenon of not wanting to support the US "defense" sector. I do not identify as a leftist, and would not be considered one, but as an aerospace engineer I would never work for something that aids the US war machine. Those weapons are never used in "defense". Do they defend an unsustainable way of life ? Sure.
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoThe last time I saw one of these weapons in use was when I was standing in my kitchen in Ukraine and through the window I could see a missile take down a russian suicide drone. How is that not defence?
- 4gotunameagain 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States#21st-century_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni... Ukraine is the only case. And let's not forget that the US is indirectly responsible for the Russian invasion. I know that it is very hard for you to see things objectively, and I am sorry for what you and your country is experiencing.
- jagger27 3y agoThe objectives of a land grabbing tyrant are what’s objective. You can’t be serious.
- pxc 3y agoNobody is trying to stop them from using Nix or contributing code. The only objection is to their use of Nix community events for advertising through sponsorship of those events.
- klausa 3y agoAnduril was supposed to be a sponsor for a Nix conference; it was then dropped after community reacted negatively to having a weapons manufacturer being a sponsor. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37418351
- neonsunset 3y ago"Outraged community" were about 30 people with few to no project contributions but a lot of political slogans and of likely questionable state of mind.
- colinsane 3y agohttps://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commits?author=neon-sunset https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commits?author=neon-sunset
- neonsunset 3y agoIt doesn't take being a chef to know when something is shit :) (on the off chance that some HN audience members have reading comprehension issues - this is aimed at politically driven non-contributing participants behind the anti-anduril outrage, Nix and its creator are absolutely fine)
- pxc 3y agoSignatories to the letter against Anduril sponsorship of NixCon include contributors with thousands of Nixpkgs PRs each, like Infinisil, wegank, and Ma27, plus many other recognizable names with PR counts in the hundreds. Some of those people are also committers who have helped many, many contributors get their code in. If you can't tell that from a glance at the signatories list, you shouldn't be commenting on 'non-contributing participants'.
- ranger_danger 3y agoyet when I posted a verbatim profile page screenshot of the author while saying absolutely nothing about them myself, it was downvoted as "arrant bigotry" lol.