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I'm sorry, but wanting your music algorithm to key in on the composer's skin color is a ridiculous expectation. Listen to albums or make a playlist.

KETHERCORTEX 3y ago
In this case it's not that ridiculous because "black" here isn't just a skin color, but primarily a subculture/subgenre with some distinct musical attributes. Nobody finds separating French electronic music into its own subgenre ridiculous. Same with Italian Disco. Such distinct movements are quite usual, so dissatisfaction about Black Swing on streaming services is understandable.
- crooked-v 3y ago
  Also, the subculture exists in the US because of hundreds of years of intentional effort by the majority to destroy any preexisting cultures among black people and prevent any integration with the mainstream.
  - _DeadFred_ 3y ago
    That's funny, because a lot of 'black' music in that period came from irish musical influences and totally did not come from what you are claiming.
- goosejuice 3y ago
  I think many here are missing the point being made. Of course there are stylistic differences between some groups of artists. The thing is that they probably aren't coded by skin color let alone period location etc, so of course it will bleed. Playing some swing and expecting it to continue to stay within very blurry racial lines is unrealistic, silly, and maybe irresponsible for a recommendation algorithm. As it's been said, there are better methods of discovery for this purpose. In your example, I'm sure there are Spotify playlists for Italian disco that have been curated.
  - watwut 3y ago
    But these were different music styles.
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  Spotify won't be able to keep those genres separate either.
khazhoux 3y ago
No, he's saying that within the genre of mid-20th century Swing there are distinct musical traditions found in black vs white bands, which he wishes he could partition against. What's ridiculous about that?
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  Because they all borrowed from each other and the line is blurry if it even exists at all.

KETHERCORTEX 3y ago

In this case it's not that ridiculous because "black" here isn't just a skin color, but primarily a subculture/subgenre with some distinct musical attributes. Nobody finds separating French electronic music into its own subgenre ridiculous. Same with Italian Disco. Such distinct movements are quite usual, so dissatisfaction about Black Swing on streaming services is understandable.

crooked-v 3y ago
Also, the subculture exists in the US because of hundreds of years of intentional effort by the majority to destroy any preexisting cultures among black people and prevent any integration with the mainstream.
- _DeadFred_ 3y ago
  That's funny, because a lot of 'black' music in that period came from irish musical influences and totally did not come from what you are claiming.
goosejuice 3y ago
I think many here are missing the point being made. Of course there are stylistic differences between some groups of artists. The thing is that they probably aren't coded by skin color let alone period location etc, so of course it will bleed. Playing some swing and expecting it to continue to stay within very blurry racial lines is unrealistic, silly, and maybe irresponsible for a recommendation algorithm. As it's been said, there are better methods of discovery for this purpose. In your example, I'm sure there are Spotify playlists for Italian disco that have been curated.
- watwut 3y ago
  But these were different music styles.
bongodongobob 3y ago
Spotify won't be able to keep those genres separate either.

khazhoux 3y ago

No, he's saying that within the genre of mid-20th century Swing there are distinct musical traditions found in black vs white bands, which he wishes he could partition against. What's ridiculous about that?

bongodongobob 3y ago
Because they all borrowed from each other and the line is blurry if it even exists at all.