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Tesla Is Not the Next Ford. It's the Next Con Ed

17 points by fortran77 3y ago

rubberband 3y ago
https://archive.is/j1ij1 https://archive.is/j1ij1
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lilyball 3y ago
I wonder how much of the continuing success of the "building large batteries" part of Tesla is due to Musk being distracted by other stuff so Tesla can just execute on doing this thing well instead of having to cater to Musk's whims.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  He tried to shut down the battery storage project when he first found out about it after the initial prototype was built.
kleiba 3y ago
> Elon Musk’s EV empire is crumbling. Wait, what? Last I heard, Tesla was doing not too shabby last year... https://www.motor1.com/news/706258/tesla-model-y-worlds-top-selling-vehicle-2023/ https://www.motor1.com/news/706258/tesla-model-y-worlds-top-...
1970-01-01 3y ago
The elephant in the room that was neatly dropped is true FSD. Outright dismissing it in a long-term outlook is foolish. Tesla is far ahead of everyone in this space.
- qayxc 3y ago
  I keep hearing this but at the same time other manufacturers rolled out level 3 and level 4 autonomy officially, while Tesla is officially stuck at level 2 (that's from Tesla, not from me). I don't buy it until they (Tesla) officially roll out a level 4 system.
- xnx 3y ago
  How is Tesla far ahead of Waymo?
  - 1970-01-01 3y ago
    Waymo is geo-fenced. Tesla's approach is designed for a global scale.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  I advise the skeptical to check out YouTube videos on Tesla FSD. Even when avoiding the ones with "TESLA" in the usernames or Musk in the thumbnails, the ones by regular people with a handful of views depicting it in action are very impressive, with none of the restrictions on where it can be used that the Mercedes system has. I think Tesla FSD might be what my aged parents will need (and be able to use) in the coming years.
dvh 3y ago
Tesla EV sales in 2023: |||||||||||||||||||||||| (1.7mil) Ford EV sales in 2023: | (72k)
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- tommiegannert 3y ago
  For comparison, Ford sold 2.0M vehicles in 2023. Given Tesla is about 100 years younger, they have impressive numbers. Keeping a company alive for >100 years is also impressive.
  - jmisavage 3y ago
    Small correction Ford sold 4.4M vehicles worldwide in 2023. The 2M number is just for the United States. But Toyota absolutely crushes the competition with 11.2M sold last year.
    - tommiegannert 3y ago
      Ah, thanks. So Tesla is at half Ford. Not as impressive, then. :)
perrohunter 3y ago
This article starts with telling you what to believe about FSD, it's trying super hard to shape your opinion, you can tell the author has something against Tesla and can't wait to list every reason they want you to believe, but it's all bs.
- mikestew 3y ago
  You forgot to mention which part of TFA you found to be untrue or unfair. Because the author has links and everything to back it up, and all I read from your comment is “is not!”.

17 points by fortran77 3y ago

rubberband 3y ago

https://archive.is/j1ij1 https://archive.is/j1ij1

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lilyball 3y ago

I wonder how much of the continuing success of the "building large batteries" part of Tesla is due to Musk being distracted by other stuff so Tesla can just execute on doing this thing well instead of having to cater to Musk's whims.

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
He tried to shut down the battery storage project when he first found out about it after the initial prototype was built.

kleiba 3y ago

> Elon Musk’s EV empire is crumbling. Wait, what? Last I heard, Tesla was doing not too shabby last year... https://www.motor1.com/news/706258/tesla-model-y-worlds-top-selling-vehicle-2023/ https://www.motor1.com/news/706258/tesla-model-y-worlds-top-...

1970-01-01 3y ago

The elephant in the room that was neatly dropped is true FSD. Outright dismissing it in a long-term outlook is foolish. Tesla is far ahead of everyone in this space.

qayxc 3y ago
I keep hearing this but at the same time other manufacturers rolled out level 3 and level 4 autonomy officially, while Tesla is officially stuck at level 2 (that's from Tesla, not from me). I don't buy it until they (Tesla) officially roll out a level 4 system.
xnx 3y ago
How is Tesla far ahead of Waymo?
- 1970-01-01 3y ago
  Waymo is geo-fenced. Tesla's approach is designed for a global scale.
TMWNN 3y ago
I advise the skeptical to check out YouTube videos on Tesla FSD. Even when avoiding the ones with "TESLA" in the usernames or Musk in the thumbnails, the ones by regular people with a handful of views depicting it in action are very impressive, with none of the restrictions on where it can be used that the Mercedes system has. I think Tesla FSD might be what my aged parents will need (and be able to use) in the coming years.

dvh 3y ago

Tesla EV sales in 2023: |||||||||||||||||||||||| (1.7mil) Ford EV sales in 2023: | (72k)

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tommiegannert 3y ago
For comparison, Ford sold 2.0M vehicles in 2023. Given Tesla is about 100 years younger, they have impressive numbers. Keeping a company alive for >100 years is also impressive.
- jmisavage 3y ago
  Small correction Ford sold 4.4M vehicles worldwide in 2023. The 2M number is just for the United States. But Toyota absolutely crushes the competition with 11.2M sold last year.
  - tommiegannert 3y ago
    Ah, thanks. So Tesla is at half Ford. Not as impressive, then. :)

perrohunter 3y ago

This article starts with telling you what to believe about FSD, it's trying super hard to shape your opinion, you can tell the author has something against Tesla and can't wait to list every reason they want you to believe, but it's all bs.

mikestew 3y ago
You forgot to mention which part of TFA you found to be untrue or unfair. Because the author has links and everything to back it up, and all I read from your comment is “is not!”.