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<ianal>Clearly FSD is defective if it correctly doesn't plow into motorcycles most of the time, but fails in some low % of cases. That's products liability laws
by tantalor 3y ago
<ianal>Clearly FSD is defective if it correctly doesn't plow into motorcycles most of the time, but fails in some low % of cases. That's products liability lawsuit, and some attribution of the fault in this case (idk 1-10%?)
- csa 3y ago> Clearly FSD is defective FSD is not Autopilot. FSD does a pretty good job of pedestrian and cyclist identification. It’s supposed to. Autopilot (which is what I use most)… I dunno… I’ve never had a problem in SF, LA, or Vegas.
- AlexandrB 3y agoDoesn't it seem weird that Autopilot and FSD might be using different obstacle recognition systems? The inputs (sensors) are identical, so why would Autopilot's obstacle recognition be worse?
- csa 3y ago> so why would Autopilot's obstacle recognition be worse? Great question. I don’t know if they are different. FSD is asked to do way more than AP… that’s all I’m certain of.
- ado__dev 3y agoFSD is also much scarier to use because it does ridiculously dangerous stuff all the time. (for me in Vegas, having had it since the original beta) I've stopped using it unless I'm the only person on the road.
- csa 3y ago> FSD is also much scarier to use because it does ridiculously dangerous stuff all the time That was my original experience. It was so bad that I strongly recommended people not get it. That said, the new FSD update (supervised beta) has been super smooth both on the interstate and in town for me. Have you tried it?
- ado__dev 3y agoI have tried it, and while it's a bit better, it's still nowhere near safe enough to use around other cars/pedestrians imo. Other people's thresholds and looking like a tool on the road may be different, but for me, it's a nogo.
- Yeul 3y agoAre there cyclists in Las Vegas? I always want Tesla to test their systems in a European urban center, see how they deal with tourists and trams set in picturesque 19th century streets.
- csa 3y ago> Are there cyclists in Las Vegas? Holy shit, yes. And a bunch of other crazy pedestrian shit. I mean, it’s not a biking Mecca or anything, but cars and trucks aren’t your only concern in Vegas. SF sort of takes the cake of those three, with cyclists, one wheelers, scooters, pedestrians, and folks who are flying on something that they only experience. I’ve done AP there on certain streets (esp. with stop and go traffic) with no problem. The peripheral areas of greater LA also have lots of non-auto traffic to deal with.
- Veserv 3y agoTesla does not even use it in the underground one-lane tunnel, the Las Vegas loop [1], instead opting for paid drivers operating the cars fully manually. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Convention_Center_Loop https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Convention_Center_...
- klyrs 3y agoAlso, Canadian or even Minnesotan winters. My working assumption is that anybody who thinks automatic driving is close to solved has never hit a patch of black ice under a thin layer of snow in whiteout conditions. Good luck relying on cameras alone!