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'So hot you can't breathe': Extreme heat hits the Philippines
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- typon 3y agoThings are going to get much, much worse than this.
- pfdietz 3y agoAffected countries are going to start doing global albedo modification, even if other countries object.
- llukas 3y agoThis is not a negative thing. Global albedo modification happens today its just not very directed (eg. pitch black tarmac next to concrete sidewalk there is significant difference in temperature on sunny days, AC bills would be probably bit cheaper we didn't have tarmac).
- pfdietz 3y agoI think it would mean no more blue skies. The Sun would also have a sickly halo, if the Mt. Pinatubo eruption was any indication.
- pfdietz 3y agoThe halo effect has a name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop%27s_Ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop%27s_Ring
- lm28469 3y agoYeah I'm sure it'll be great and we will think about every single potential side effects, just like with asbestos, DDT, lead in gas, freon in fridges, &c. We're most likely utterly fucked whatever we do unless we go back to live like pre industrial revolution humans
- randomsolutions 3y agoCan't wait for the "Great Thermostat War"
- netsharc 3y agoChapter 1 of Ministry for the Future tells the fictional story of a massive heatwave with power failure (nice AC you got there...) across a region of India. Said chapter is available from the publishers here: https://www.orbitbooks.net/orbit-excerpts/the-ministry-for-the-future/ https://www.orbitbooks.net/orbit-excerpts/the-ministry-for-t...
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoIn Termination Shock, the US didn't really start paying attention until people in Texas needed to wear "Earth Suits" to go outside.
- moralestapia 3y agoWhew! What a read, I'ma check the whole book.
- southernplaces7 3y agoAnd as a fictional story, it's just the author's completely arbitrary rendering of something that hasn't yet happened anywhere in the world. It's tiresome to see people citing that piece of text as if it were in any way a scientific source or prediction of anything. A bit like citing Paul Ehlrich's hypothetical predictions of massive famines in the world of his future.. Oh but wait, they all turned out to be completely false.
- vitro 3y agoImagine if all that wealth spent on battling climate effects have been spent in the past to prevent them instead. What a world we could have. Dreamer I am, I know. Hope it is not too late and we still have some chances.
- sufficer 3y agoOr if the world wars never happened
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoWish all articles like this would start including wet bulb temperature, so reader wouldn't have to keep finding temp and humidity and find it on a chart. A wet-bulb temperature of 95°F (35°C) is the theoretical limit for human survivability for up to six hours of exposure. This is equivalent to a heat index of 160°F (71°C). However, more recent research indicates that a wet-bulb temperature of 88°F can be hazardous even for young Aug 17, 2023 Understanding Wet-Bulb Temperature: The Risks of High Wet ... https://climatecheck.com/blog/understanding-wet-bulb-temperature-the-risks-of-high-wet-bulb-temperatures-explained#:~:text=While%20a%20wet%2Dbulb%20temperature,even%20for%20young%2C%20healthy%20people https://climatecheck.com/blog/understanding-wet-bulb-tempera.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature Edited to add Celsius Edited to remove reference to shade.
- TheRealPomax 3y ago95 degrees Fahrenheit = 35 degrees Celsius (relevant in this case because all degrees in the article are in Celsius, and the Wikipedia article's primary scale is Celsius)
- tppiotrowski 3y ago> A wet-bulb temperature of 95°F (35°C) is the theoretical limit for human survivability for up to six hours of unshaded outdoor exposure Both the sources you linked say that 35 degrees is the limit in the shade as well. > It has been thought that a sustained wet-bulb temperature exceeding 35 °C (95 °F)—given the body's requirement to maintain a core temperature of about 37°C—is likely to be fatal even to fit and healthy people, unclothed in the shade next to a fan
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoSorry. I thought that was from the link . Guess technically, since shade is cooler, then if the temperature was X and shade is (X-shade), then if wet bulb was at 95, then you could go into some shade to get cooler. Or, since wet bulb is at 95 is same in sun and shade, then if it is at 95 deg in shade you are in danger, and if you walked into the sun, you'd be in even more danger. or to try and say another way. Temperature is Temperature, and if in Sun you are probably hotter. But wet bulb 'limit' would be same, and you'd hit the limit faster in the sun.
- tromp 3y agohttps://archive.is/ODsud https://archive.is/ODsud
- pil0u 3y ago> Study results indicate that limiting global warming to 1.5 °C would prevent most of the tropics from reaching the wet-bulb temperature of the human physiological limit of 35 °C. Limit was hit in 2023: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/02/08/1-5-celsius-global-warming-record/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/02/0...
- next_xibalba 3y agoIf that is true, why haven't we seen mass death from repeated 35℃ breaches?
- _ph_ 3y agoThe 1.5 degrees are the average heatup over the globe, it varies across the regions - in Europe we have a higher raise, but we are not near the unliveable conditions, though we have plenty of heat deaths already. And of course, there is air condition. So even if temperatures reach dangerous levels, few people will experience it in full force.
- bojan 3y agoWe have, all over the world. For example, at least 24500 people died from heat-related causes in Europe during heat waves of summer 2022. And that's just one of many examples.
- briandear 3y agoIn 1911 41,000 people died of a heave wave in France. Highest ambient temperature ever recorded was in Death Valley in 1913. In 1540 Europe had an extreme drought and heatwave that lasted 11 months. I can go on and on. The 2022 heatwave wasn’t any more unusual than any other heat wave throughout history.
- nostrademons 3y agoWe cared less about mass death in 1911, as exemplified by WW1.
- glitcher 3y agoTIL about heat index being a combination of temperature and humidity to arrive at a perceived temperature (in the shade apparently, why?). Started plugging in some numbers into a heat index calculator just for kicks (https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/heat-index https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/heat-index). I live in a very hot and dry area, and noticed that at 15% humidity the heat index matches temperature, below 15% results in a heat index below the temperature, and above 15% gives a heat index above the temperature.
- seanhunter 3y agoI believe it's measured in the shade only so it's a true measure of the air temperature and isn't affected by the direct heat transfer from the sunlight. (eg https://www.forbes.com/sites/dennismersereau/2021/06/30/the-temperature-in-the-shade-is-the-right-way-to-measure-the-heat/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/dennismersereau/2021/06/30/the-... )
- tppiotrowski 3y agoThat's my understanding too. In fact, the hottest surface temperature recorded on Earth is much higher than the official temperature record because a surface gathers heat not only from air convection/conduction but direct radiation as well. > Temperatures measured directly on the ground may exceed air temperatures by 30 to 50 °C (54 to 90 °F).[6] The highest natural ground surface temperature ever recorded may have been an alleged reading of 93.9 °C (201.0 °F) at Furnace Creek, California, United States, on 15 July 1972.[7] In 2011, a ground temperature of 84 °C (183.2 °F) was recorded in Port Sudan, Sudan. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#Measuring_conditions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#Measur...
- FireBeyond 3y agoBack when I was a kid, the Australian Open in Melbourne, already in summer, was plagued by periods where they stopped play due to heat. Filling the void and dead air time, commentators resorted to demos like "frying an egg on center court" to show just how hot it was.
- tmaly 3y agoI tried doing tennis in the Philippines before. I only lasted about 3 minutes before I had to sit down. The heat there in the summer is no joke.
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- makeitdouble 3y ago> The air conditioning is set at 14-18 C during the hottest part of the day I wonder what actual temperature that gives them. I'd expect that whatever temperature they set below 25C would have the AC go full power either way, and never reach that target until at night perhaps.
- Gys 3y agoComments here on the temperature fail to add WBT is related to a high humidity. 'The wet-bulb temperature (WBT) is the temperature read by a thermometer covered in water-soaked (water at ambient temperature) cloth (a wet-bulb thermometer) over which air is passed.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature Edit: because a high humidity means the body cannot cool anymore by sweating. A higher temperature combined with dry air is generally not a life threatening situation (if you stay in de shade and drink a lot of water).
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- LASR 3y agoCan someone help me understand the thermodynamics behind this? My naive understanding would be that if the temperature > human body temperature, we can only gain heat from the environment, leading to death. Obviously sweating is involved. But how?
- elbasti 3y agoEvaporative cooling is one of physics's great magic tricks. Basically, when we talk about a substance's temperature, that temperature is the average temperature of the system. Temperature is just "how quickly are the atoms/molecules here jiggling?" When the atoms/molecules collide, some of them speed up, some slow down. That means that some atoms are "hotter" than the average temperature, and some are cooler. Liquids have a certain energy above which a molecule is ejected from the puddle. This is evaporation. Even if the average temperature (read: energy) is below that threshold energy, some molecules are moving faster, because they have collided with other molecules in just the right way. Those fast molecules get ejected. Evaporation! But now that the puddle lost the fast (read: hot, read: high energy) molecules, the average energy of the system is lower. The whole thing cools down! In dry environments, it's possible for sweat to evaporte (cool) at a rate that is faster than the rate at which your body heats up from hot colliding air. In humid environments two things happen: evaporation slows down, and you heat up faster. So there is a combination of temperature & humidity at which, if either of those parameters is exceeded, you gain heat faster than you lose it.
- rolph 3y agothermokinetic energy is required for water to transition from liquid to vapor. when heat [thermokinetic motion] spreads from the body to the liquid water, this is a net loss loss of heat from the body as water transitions to vapor phase and diffuses away from the body. if surrounding air is already saturated with vapor [relative humidity 100%] no evaporation can occur at a temperature, that humans will survive
- jcranmer 3y agoThe goal of human metabolism is to maintain a consistent body temperature. Metabolism creates heat (as a byproduct of doing useful work) that needs to be shed, this is in addition to the natural heat flux. Heat flux is proportional to temperature difference, and is solely in the direction of hot to cold. Let us suppose that at 27 C, the natural heat generation is shed, and let us also suppose that the core body temperature is 37 C. (The actual values don't matter, but this feels approximately correct and gives nice round numbers). In this case, if the temperature is below 27 C, then we are losing too much heat and our body temperature will decrease. If it is above 27 C but below 37 C, we're not shedding our body heat fast enough, so body temperature will increase. If it is above 37 C, then the environment is actually adding excess heat into our body instead of cooling it--and we still have natural metabolic heat to shed. So we have three main mechanisms we use to regulate body temperature. The first mechanism is to change the heat flux: by changing our clothing, we can control heat loss. This is obviously more effective for cold temperatures than warm temperatures. The second mechanism is to change our internal heat generation. For example, staying more active in cold conditions or being less active in hot conditions. The response of shivering is in fact an attempt to generate extra heat to mitigate heat loss. The final mechanism is to use evaporative cooling. Converting liquid water to gas requires energy. So if you coat yourself in water that gets evaporated, it actively sucks heat away from you in the process. The wet-bulb temperature is a measurement of the coolest you can make something in this method... and that's why wet-bulb temperatures near body temperature are lethal: it's the point at which you just cannot shed any heat whatsoever.
- spacetimeuser5 3y agoHere you are, monkeys. Get now more of your cheap headset.
- rekabis 3y agoBuT cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is FaKe!!!1!
- logtempo 3y ago70% of workers worlwide will be put at risk with climate change. https://www.axios.com/2024/04/22/workers-excessive-heat-united-nations-labor https://www.axios.com/2024/04/22/workers-excessive-heat-unit... also let's not forget that there are animals too who suffer. And thy don't have AC, water bottle, or fridge to live.
- _whiteCaps_ 3y agoThe heat dome in BC in 2021 was brutal. My car showed 47*C (not exactly scientific but it gives you an idea) and the LCD display on the dash started to malfunction. It was like the contrast was off. I'd only seen that before in extreme cold. With the high humidity in the area, it was quite dangerous. An estimated 600 deaths due to the heat. I'm sorry the people of the Philippines are going through this.