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TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify. Today, it happens to be voices opposed to Israel. Tomorrow, it could easily be the opposite. The go

TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify. Today, it happens to be voices opposed to Israel. Tomorrow, it could easily be the opposite. The goal is to generate geopolitical chaos to veil other actions (Taiwan, South China sea, Chinese migrant injections into Panama...). A society's strength comes from its unity of will and resolve. Social media can be used to attack that unity... and has, not just by China.

coldtea 3y ago
>TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify. So just like the other platforms, but for China instead of the US? (aka: "It's bad when you do it, not when we do it").
- Aloha 3y ago
  I dont know that I would be making that claim about other platforms - there is something unique, pervasive and opaque about TikTok and how they try to drive engagement.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  That's putting words in my mouth. All social media with attention management may be weaponized and has generally proven to be unhealthy for society. TikTok happens to be actively worse for a number of reasons, one of them being that it is designed to be so.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  If Biden wants instagram to show you pictures of ponies, the best he can do is go to congress and get funding to run an ad campaign on instagram to show people ponies. If Xi wants to show you ponies, you'll see them all over tiktok tomorow.
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  - arandomusername 3y ago
    That's not really true. https://reason.com/2023/07/28/biden-white-house-pressured-facebook-to-censor-lab-leak-posts/ https://reason.com/2023/07/28/biden-white-house-pressured-fa... One exmaple of many. If Biden doesn't want you seeing something, the white house will put pressure on social media companies to censor it.
    - wumeow 3y ago
      The difference is Meta was free to refuse, and did in some cases. False equivalence.
      - arandomusername 3y ago
        "We were under pressure from the administration and others to do more. We shouldn't have done it." Also: The 5th Circuit panel found that the White House coerced the platforms through “intimidating messages and threats of adverse consequences” and commandeered the decision-making processes of social media companies, particularly in handling pandemic-related and 2020 election posts. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-adminis... To say they were free to refuse is disingeneous.
        wumeow 3y ago
        Yes, pressure is not the same as coercion. The 5th circuit is a notorious conservative circus show, I’ll wait for the Supreme Court’s decision.
        arandomusername 3y ago
        How is "threats of adverse consequences" any different than what China does? If a cartel member comes up to you and tells you to give him your wallet or there might be "consequences", do you think you are free to refuse him?
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
- asadotzler 3y ago
  Yes, and when our government does it, we can hold them accountable. When an adversarial foreign power does it we cannot. Is that a difficult concept for you?
  - ergocoder 3y ago
    Yes, we will try hard to equate US government and China government. The 2 governments are so fungible and have equivalent due process for everything, especially for US citizens and citizens in other countries with border disputes. lol I can't even.
megous 3y ago
Israel can generate chaos on its own quite well, thank you. About one half (!) of all UNGA emergency special sessions are about its conflicts, for crying out loud. :) This nothingcountry of <10 million people entertains the whole UN for the last 80 years or so almost constantly. The world has grown by 4 billion people during that time, lol. Most of that time social media did not even exist.

coldtea 3y ago

>TikTok amplifies whatever is in China's interest to amplify. So just like the other platforms, but for China instead of the US? (aka: "It's bad when you do it, not when we do it").

Aloha 3y ago
I dont know that I would be making that claim about other platforms - there is something unique, pervasive and opaque about TikTok and how they try to drive engagement.
slowmovintarget 3y ago
That's putting words in my mouth. All social media with attention management may be weaponized and has generally proven to be unhealthy for society. TikTok happens to be actively worse for a number of reasons, one of them being that it is designed to be so.
Workaccount2 3y ago
If Biden wants instagram to show you pictures of ponies, the best he can do is go to congress and get funding to run an ad campaign on instagram to show people ponies. If Xi wants to show you ponies, you'll see them all over tiktok tomorow.
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- arandomusername 3y ago
  That's not really true. https://reason.com/2023/07/28/biden-white-house-pressured-facebook-to-censor-lab-leak-posts/ https://reason.com/2023/07/28/biden-white-house-pressured-fa... One exmaple of many. If Biden doesn't want you seeing something, the white house will put pressure on social media companies to censor it.
  - wumeow 3y ago
    The difference is Meta was free to refuse, and did in some cases. False equivalence.
    - arandomusername 3y ago
      "We were under pressure from the administration and others to do more. We shouldn't have done it." Also: The 5th Circuit panel found that the White House coerced the platforms through “intimidating messages and threats of adverse consequences” and commandeered the decision-making processes of social media companies, particularly in handling pandemic-related and 2020 election posts. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-administration-coerced-facebook-court-rules/70800723007/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/09/08/biden-adminis... To say they were free to refuse is disingeneous.
      - wumeow 3y ago
        Yes, pressure is not the same as coercion. The 5th circuit is a notorious conservative circus show, I’ll wait for the Supreme Court’s decision.
        arandomusername 3y ago
        How is "threats of adverse consequences" any different than what China does? If a cartel member comes up to you and tells you to give him your wallet or there might be "consequences", do you think you are free to refuse him?
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
asadotzler 3y ago
Yes, and when our government does it, we can hold them accountable. When an adversarial foreign power does it we cannot. Is that a difficult concept for you?
- ergocoder 3y ago
  Yes, we will try hard to equate US government and China government. The 2 governments are so fungible and have equivalent due process for everything, especially for US citizens and citizens in other countries with border disputes. lol I can't even.

megous 3y ago

Israel can generate chaos on its own quite well, thank you. About one half (!) of all UNGA emergency special sessions are about its conflicts, for crying out loud. :) This nothingcountry of <10 million people entertains the whole UN for the last 80 years or so almost constantly. The world has grown by 4 billion people during that time, lol. Most of that time social media did not even exist.