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Fun fact: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...,
by dwnoble 2y ago
Fun fact: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma..., tiktok.com has been blocked in mainland China since 2020.
- jMyles 2y agoAnd yet, at least anecdotally, it is very widely used, along with virtually every other resource that that Chinese state regards as banned.
- seattle_spring 2y agoI think they meant the US domain tiktok.com is banned. TikTok itself is not banned in CN, and its web presence there is likely available at the respective CN domain. I’m guessing it’s tiktok.cn, but I’m not checking so I take no responsibility if it’s a phishing domain.
- United857 2y agoThe Chinese equivalent is DouYin, douyin.com
- jMyles 2y agoYeah, I think you're correct. ...but seriously: The Chinese state pretends that Wikipedia is banned in China. Does anybody seriously think that Chinese people don't use Wikipedia, like every day? Routing around a ban of this nature is so utterly trivial, and the primary audience of TikTok is strongly integrative of demographics which are digital natives accustomed to subverting such bans (heck, they got almost universal training in this area by having to jailbreak their school-issued tablets).
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- insane_dreamer 2y ago> Does anybody seriously think that Chinese people don't use Wikipedia, like every day? surprised as you may be, the vast majority certainly do not use Wikipedia
- throw-the-towel 2y agoBaidu, the local Internet giant, has its own encyclopedia. You'd be surprised how different some countries are in their Internet usage. Russians don't really use Facebook, and Google faced an uphill battle to be accepted there. Czechs apparently prefer homegrown map services (such as Seznam) to Google Maps.
- TeaBrain 2y agoDouyin as someone else mentioned is the Chinese equivalent to TikTok and it has completely separate content. The international TikTok content (not US specific) is not available in China.
- jMyles 2y ago> The international TikTok content (not US specific) is not available in China. These comments are very confusing to me. Why is half this thread pretending that the Great Firewall is effective? Do y'all not have friends in China? Contacts who visit? Do they suddenly drop off the face of the earth? Of course not, they install a VPN and carry on, and communicate with you via all the normal media. The Great Firewall is really just a means of forcing people not to acknowledge what they know, and to only publicly speak about the censored version of history and politics. But it's no more effective than any other internet censorship (which is to say, it is trivially bypassed).
- TeaBrain 2y agoI never said the content would be impossible to access given the use of a VPN. The comment I responded to implied that they thought TikTok would be available simply by using a Chinese domain name. Granted, Douyin does have a Chinese domain name, but it does not have the content on TikTok.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago> Why is half this thread pretending that the Great Firewall is effective? It's extremely effective. Just because a very small fraction of the population 1) know how to use a VPN, 2) are willing to pay for it, and 3) bother to use it, doesn't mean the GFW is ineffective. The CCP doesn't need 99.99% efficiency rate, 95% is plenty to control their population. Source: myself, many years living in China.
- jMyles 2y agoI've never lived in China. But you're saying that 95% of people refrain from reading resources that are not served by The Great Firewall? That seems like a huge, huge stretch. I've never met a Chinese person whom, when the topic came up, hadn't read about, for example, tiananmen square, in a method contrary to the wishes of the CCP.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoTiktok is indeed banned in China. Douyin is owned by the same company but not the same platform. It is subject to Chinese gov censorship (like all media in China), while Tiktok is not (therefore banned).
- ok123456 2y agoShouldn't the US prove it's better than China by its self-consistent actions with its espoused virtues of freedom of the press?
- IncreasePosts 2y agoThe self consistent actions could just be "tit for tat" responses to the behavior of others. Does China allow free reign of American companies within its borders? No? Then China doesn't get that right either. Regardless, TikTok isn't going away, it is just changing owners. How does that have any effect on freedom of the press?
- ok123456 2y agoWhat if they don't want to change owners? Why should a global company from Singapore do what US politicians want?
- IncreasePosts 2y agoThen...don't? No one is forcing them to, they just can't do business in the US if that is their choice.
- phone8675309 2y agoNobody is forcing anybody to do anything. TikTok can decide to not sell, in which case it's banned, or it can sell, in which case it's not.
- falleng0d 2y agoI hope they don't. Then I will finally give a smartphone to my kids.
- mjamesaustin 2y agoAll of our global companies do what China wants to operate there, and what they ask is a lot more onerous than to spin out a separate entity for local operation. At least the US is trying to protect the privacy of its citizens in this case. The CCP meanwhile required Apple to prevent Airdrop from functioning properly in China in order to stop the spread of information between protest groups.
- PurpleRamen 2y agoFunny list. I'm curious why something like swiggy.com, a food ordering and delivery platform is there. Do they even operate in china?
- kube-system 2y agoTo protect local competitors (and local control)? > Do they even operate in china? If they were going to, they won't now.
- kylehotchkiss 2y agoprobably a tit-for-tat against India banning a lot of Chinese services back in 2020
- insane_dreamer 2y agoblocking is not always that fine-grained; there are tons of IPs/domains blocked that have nothing to do with China
- ffpip 2y agoThey don't operate in China but I'm pretty sure they have received funding from chinese investors.
- paxys 2y agoTikTok is branded as Douyin in China. The international version is the one that is blocked.
- insane_dreamer 2y agoNo, it's not just a rebrand. Douyin, like all social media in China, is subject to government censorship. Tiktok, like Google, FB, IG, etc., are not and therefore banned in China. That's why they are two completely separate platforms.
- anon373839 2y agoAlso, perhaps China doesn’t want its own children to consume the same content they’re spoon-feeding to their adversaries’ children. For reasons.
- rchaud 2y agoLike what? Are Americans downloading Tiktok under duress of some sort? Every American competitor has algorithmic video feeds, so there plenty of market substitutes.
- qzx_pierri 2y agoThe US wants to get their hooks into TikTok and use it for PsyOps. It’s that simple. Don’t let the word “PsyOps” trigger your wacko alarm. It’s understood that the US already does this with Facebook and other websites.
- anon373839 2y agoThe US doesn't need TikTok for that.
- rchaud 2y agoThere are 170 million TikTok users in the US. Intelligence services would be doing a bad job if they didn't have their hooks in it somehow.