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Woah these are around $5k. Not sure that's a fit for home network enthusiasts, and for business, just pay the bucks to be able to pass the buck - ie get a pack

Woah these are around $5k. Not sure that's a fit for home network enthusiasts, and for business, just pay the bucks to be able to pass the buck - ie get a packaged solution not homebrew.

benjojo12 3y ago
> Woah these are around $5k. For what it's worth I did not pay 5k USD for it, that is significantly overpriced for it on the 2nd hand market. > for business, just pay the bucks to be able to pass the buck - ie get a packaged solution not homebrew There is a significant cost difference here, The overall point of the post is that the "packaged solution" is not viable when most switch vendors have what I can describe as "crap" software quality and/or support. So if you are in the land of simple L2 switching and L3 routing, this switch is amazing because you can escape the crap vendor software.
- hinkley 3y ago
  Sort of an openwrt for hard lines.
bradfa 3y ago
eBay shows me a whole bunch of these SN2010-series switches in the $1000-2000 USD range. Totally reasonable for such a switch. You can step up to the SN2700 mentioned in the article for prices in the $2000-3000 USD range. All used from sellers claiming "tested". If you're really into homelab stuff or trying to run a small business where networking is critical, they're quite a good deal. The "packaged solutions" as a new product from a known vendor with a support contract (because honestly if you're not buying the support contract you're going to spend a LOT of time messing with the switch no matter what vintage it is) are at least 10x the price, which very well could be much too much for a home user or small business.
candiddevmike 3y ago
I've seen a few chinese knock off switches on Amazon and Alibaba that are cheap and layer 3/"managed". I messaged a few of the alibaba sellers telling them I'm "building a custom switch OS and want their hardware to prototype" and they seemed amicable to helping me get a custom firmware installed, but never pursued it more. I'd love to have managed 2.5Gb switches with 10Gb uplinks in my house using a custom linux OS that I can use standard config management tools with...
- zokier 3y ago
  > I'd love to have managed 2.5Gb switches with 10Gb uplinks in my house using a custom linux OS that I can use standard config management tools with Me too. I have been eyeballing "SparX-5" based switches, which do run Linux ("SMBStaX"), but you'd need something like million bucks to get anywhere :( Could be candidate for a Kickstarter style project maybe...
  - tambre 3y ago
    Checkout RCHD-SPARX [0]. You'll need to draw the rest of the owl, but the really hard part's there. I hope someone builds a switch on that. [0] https://conclusive.tech/products/rchd-sparx-networking-som/ https://conclusive.tech/products/rchd-sparx-networking-som/
  - kijiki 3y ago
    > I have been eyeballing "SparX-5" based switches Have you found any for sale other than the Microchip dev board? I stumbled across this recently: https://www.servethehome.com/insane-48-port-2-5gbe-2x-25gbe-2x-10gbe-managed-chinese-e-sports-cafe-and-hotel-switch-microchip-micron-sandisk/ https://www.servethehome.com/insane-48-port-2-5gbe-2x-25gbe-... but I haven't been able to find where you can buy one these days. Sadly my PCB design skills are not quite up to dense BGA escape + 25gig lanes...
- wolrah 3y ago
  > I'd love to have managed 2.5Gb switches with 10Gb uplinks in my house using a custom linux OS that I can use standard config management tools with... 100%, this has been the most frustrating thing about following the various "open" switching worlds. There's a massive gap in the middle between the sorts of 4-8 port switches that end up in OpenWRT-compatible routers and this sort of enterprise switch that's barely accessible to the "homelab" class user. I would absolutely love to have some open switching in the "Ubiquiti" class, desktop and 1U rackmount devices with gigabit through 10G as their primary interfaces. I'm personally in the VoIP world and if I could install Asterisk directly on a 48 port PoE switch I'd be deploying them by the dozens.
- wmf 3y ago

Woah these are around $5k. Not sure that's a fit for home network enthusiasts, and for business, just pay the bucks to be able to pass the buck - ie get a packaged solution not homebrew.

benjojo12 3y ago

> Woah these are around $5k. For what it's worth I did not pay 5k USD for it, that is significantly overpriced for it on the 2nd hand market. > for business, just pay the bucks to be able to pass the buck - ie get a packaged solution not homebrew There is a significant cost difference here, The overall point of the post is that the "packaged solution" is not viable when most switch vendors have what I can describe as "crap" software quality and/or support. So if you are in the land of simple L2 switching and L3 routing, this switch is amazing because you can escape the crap vendor software.

hinkley 3y ago
Sort of an openwrt for hard lines.

bradfa 3y ago

eBay shows me a whole bunch of these SN2010-series switches in the $1000-2000 USD range. Totally reasonable for such a switch. You can step up to the SN2700 mentioned in the article for prices in the $2000-3000 USD range. All used from sellers claiming "tested". If you're really into homelab stuff or trying to run a small business where networking is critical, they're quite a good deal. The "packaged solutions" as a new product from a known vendor with a support contract (because honestly if you're not buying the support contract you're going to spend a LOT of time messing with the switch no matter what vintage it is) are at least 10x the price, which very well could be much too much for a home user or small business.

candiddevmike 3y ago

I've seen a few chinese knock off switches on Amazon and Alibaba that are cheap and layer 3/"managed". I messaged a few of the alibaba sellers telling them I'm "building a custom switch OS and want their hardware to prototype" and they seemed amicable to helping me get a custom firmware installed, but never pursued it more. I'd love to have managed 2.5Gb switches with 10Gb uplinks in my house using a custom linux OS that I can use standard config management tools with...

zokier 3y ago
> I'd love to have managed 2.5Gb switches with 10Gb uplinks in my house using a custom linux OS that I can use standard config management tools with Me too. I have been eyeballing "SparX-5" based switches, which do run Linux ("SMBStaX"), but you'd need something like million bucks to get anywhere :( Could be candidate for a Kickstarter style project maybe...
- tambre 3y ago
  Checkout RCHD-SPARX [0]. You'll need to draw the rest of the owl, but the really hard part's there. I hope someone builds a switch on that. [0] https://conclusive.tech/products/rchd-sparx-networking-som/ https://conclusive.tech/products/rchd-sparx-networking-som/
- kijiki 3y ago
  > I have been eyeballing "SparX-5" based switches Have you found any for sale other than the Microchip dev board? I stumbled across this recently: https://www.servethehome.com/insane-48-port-2-5gbe-2x-25gbe-2x-10gbe-managed-chinese-e-sports-cafe-and-hotel-switch-microchip-micron-sandisk/ https://www.servethehome.com/insane-48-port-2-5gbe-2x-25gbe-... but I haven't been able to find where you can buy one these days. Sadly my PCB design skills are not quite up to dense BGA escape + 25gig lanes...
wolrah 3y ago
> I'd love to have managed 2.5Gb switches with 10Gb uplinks in my house using a custom linux OS that I can use standard config management tools with... 100%, this has been the most frustrating thing about following the various "open" switching worlds. There's a massive gap in the middle between the sorts of 4-8 port switches that end up in OpenWRT-compatible routers and this sort of enterprise switch that's barely accessible to the "homelab" class user. I would absolutely love to have some open switching in the "Ubiquiti" class, desktop and 1U rackmount devices with gigabit through 10G as their primary interfaces. I'm personally in the VoIP world and if I could install Asterisk directly on a 48 port PoE switch I'd be deploying them by the dozens.
wmf 3y ago