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Has anyone figured out how many devices are still running Windows that can't upgrade to 11? The oldest Intel CPUs supported were released in 2017.

by Arcuru 2y ago

throwaway48476 2y ago
I am, for one.
- r2_pilot 2y ago
  I am, for two. I bought the flagship Intel cpu the generation before support for win 11, and when I get done with it, I will switch it to Linux and have an awesome computer.
ocdtrekkie 2y ago
This really is a place any climate-concerned country should find a way to legally intervene. Speaking of my ten year old gaming PC which still runs modern games fine, forcing me to replace it is just straight carbon waste.
- deleted 2y ago
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- Ekaros 2y ago
  Maybe there should be some sort of licensing. Single appliance like phone or laptop per person. You can not get new one until you have proven that you have tried to get device repaired. And accidental or intentional damage like dropping or water would result in permanently losing right to that device for some reasonable period like 10 to 15 years from purchase date...
vel0city 2y ago
Are the same people making a stink about Microsoft doing this also making a stink about Apple doing practically the same every time they release a new MacOS version? How long should hardware be supported? Indefinitely? Should Microsoft still target 286's? Pentium III's?
- afavour 2y ago
  Like it or not Microsoft has built a reputation for itself as supporting devices for a very long time. A reputation Apple definitely doesn’t have. So, no, I don’t think the same level of stink is warranted because people know what they’re getting with the Apple ecosystem when they sign up.
- tivert 2y ago
  > Are the same people making a stink about Microsoft doing this also making a stink about Apple doing practically the same every time they release a new MacOS version? Yes, some of them. Though of course there are people who make stink about Microsoft and not Apple because they don't use Apple products. > How long should hardware be supported? Indefinitely? Yes. Or at least approximately as long as Linux does. Especially since it's no longer the 80s/90s and we're not seeing anywhere near the kind of rapid and significant hardware improvements the PC industry saw back then [1]. Microsoft is an extremely successful company with 221,000 full time employees, they have the capacity to do this. [1] Over the last couple decades, I've declined scheduled PC refreshes a couple times after checking the specs, because the "refreshed" PC was literally almost the same as my current one (like a small CPU bump and a bit more memory). For completely selfish reasons it made more sense to just keep the old one and maybe buy some more RAM than go through the trouble of migrating my stuff.
- doubled112 2y ago
  It is hard to know where to draw the line. I'm sure they used some telemetry to decide which machines were too much work. The only shocker on my machines is my first gen Ryzen build. I guess 8c/16t and 32GB RAM isn't enough to run Windows anymore?
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Just saying "I've got this many CPUs and this much RAM" means nothing if the processor just doesn't support some feature deemed important. I've got multi-socket, multi-core, many-gig-of-RAM boxes that can't run modern Linux kernels (and thus most modern Linux distros) due to lacking CPU features required these days.
secondcoming 2y ago
I thought it's a motherboard thing rather than a CPU one?
- Arcuru 2y ago
  The main blocker is the requirement for TPM 2.0. It requires a minimum chipset (motherboard) version, which is only compatible with a minimum CPU generation. I'm not sure how much is implemented on the CPU die vs the mobo chipset, but you effectively need both. So I think you're right, saying it's a motherboard thing may be slightly more accurate :)
KoolKat23 2y ago
Well a silly sample, but in my household of 5 PC's (including work PC's). Only 2 or 40% are supported.
_trampeltier 2y ago
It's not just the hardware. A lot of (industrial) software does not work on Windows 11.
TiredOfLife 2y ago
In my household of 6 pc's only 1 can be upgraded. And it is not the fastest of them.

Has anyone figured out how many devices are still running Windows that can't upgrade to 11? The oldest Intel CPUs supported were released in 2017.

by Arcuru 2y ago

Has anyone figured out how many devices are still running Windows that can't upgrade to 11? The oldest Intel CPUs supported were released in 2017.

throwaway48476 2y ago

I am, for one.

r2_pilot 2y ago
I am, for two. I bought the flagship Intel cpu the generation before support for win 11, and when I get done with it, I will switch it to Linux and have an awesome computer.

ocdtrekkie 2y ago

This really is a place any climate-concerned country should find a way to legally intervene. Speaking of my ten year old gaming PC which still runs modern games fine, forcing me to replace it is just straight carbon waste.

deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
Ekaros 2y ago
Maybe there should be some sort of licensing. Single appliance like phone or laptop per person. You can not get new one until you have proven that you have tried to get device repaired. And accidental or intentional damage like dropping or water would result in permanently losing right to that device for some reasonable period like 10 to 15 years from purchase date...

vel0city 2y ago

Are the same people making a stink about Microsoft doing this also making a stink about Apple doing practically the same every time they release a new MacOS version? How long should hardware be supported? Indefinitely? Should Microsoft still target 286's? Pentium III's?

afavour 2y ago
Like it or not Microsoft has built a reputation for itself as supporting devices for a very long time. A reputation Apple definitely doesn’t have. So, no, I don’t think the same level of stink is warranted because people know what they’re getting with the Apple ecosystem when they sign up.
tivert 2y ago
> Are the same people making a stink about Microsoft doing this also making a stink about Apple doing practically the same every time they release a new MacOS version? Yes, some of them. Though of course there are people who make stink about Microsoft and not Apple because they don't use Apple products. > How long should hardware be supported? Indefinitely? Yes. Or at least approximately as long as Linux does. Especially since it's no longer the 80s/90s and we're not seeing anywhere near the kind of rapid and significant hardware improvements the PC industry saw back then [1]. Microsoft is an extremely successful company with 221,000 full time employees, they have the capacity to do this. [1] Over the last couple decades, I've declined scheduled PC refreshes a couple times after checking the specs, because the "refreshed" PC was literally almost the same as my current one (like a small CPU bump and a bit more memory). For completely selfish reasons it made more sense to just keep the old one and maybe buy some more RAM than go through the trouble of migrating my stuff.
doubled112 2y ago
It is hard to know where to draw the line. I'm sure they used some telemetry to decide which machines were too much work. The only shocker on my machines is my first gen Ryzen build. I guess 8c/16t and 32GB RAM isn't enough to run Windows anymore?
- vel0city 2y ago
  Just saying "I've got this many CPUs and this much RAM" means nothing if the processor just doesn't support some feature deemed important. I've got multi-socket, multi-core, many-gig-of-RAM boxes that can't run modern Linux kernels (and thus most modern Linux distros) due to lacking CPU features required these days.

secondcoming 2y ago

I thought it's a motherboard thing rather than a CPU one?

Arcuru 2y ago
The main blocker is the requirement for TPM 2.0. It requires a minimum chipset (motherboard) version, which is only compatible with a minimum CPU generation. I'm not sure how much is implemented on the CPU die vs the mobo chipset, but you effectively need both. So I think you're right, saying it's a motherboard thing may be slightly more accurate :)

KoolKat23 2y ago

Well a silly sample, but in my household of 5 PC's (including work PC's). Only 2 or 40% are supported.

_trampeltier 2y ago

It's not just the hardware. A lot of (industrial) software does not work on Windows 11.

TiredOfLife 2y ago

In my household of 6 pc's only 1 can be upgraded. And it is not the fastest of them.