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> There can be no competition if there is copyright involved. Truth is there can almost never be real competition on any market that isn't raw materials, becau

> There can be no competition if there is copyright involved. Truth is there can almost never be real competition on any market that isn't raw materials, because there's IP (not just copyright, but patents and trademarks as well) almost everywhere else.

javcasas 3y ago
And, for raw materials, you have geographical-delimited "copyright" zones, a-la "it's champagne only if it comes from this region in France". The free market is only for the plebs.
- gruez 3y ago
  Just... don't buy champagne and buy sparkling wine instead?
- shortsunblack 3y ago
  That is not copyright but a geographical trademark. And trademarks are for the protection of consumers. Champagne is a type of sparkling wine made in the region of Champagne, France. If it isn't made in Champagne, France it, by definition, is not champagne. It's sparkling wine. And this almost always comes with reduction in quality. A premium product gets watered down and Walmartified. Happens with cheeses or any other fancy foodstock. Refusal of United States to recognize European geographical quality marks was one of the reasons why TTIP trade agreement failed (that together with United States wanting Europe to severely reform its legal base for the betterment of American corporations).
TeMPOraL 3y ago
A lot of the time you don't care about it. E.g. it's unusual to care about the images on the packaging of your laundry detergent. Plenty of goods you buy are commodities. That said, businesses absolutely hate this, which is why you see all kinds of methods being applied to uncommodify goods, or ensure they never become commodities in the first place. Exclusive licensing deals for media content is just one of the more egregious examples, but then there are all forms of soft bundling and integrations happening in physical space too.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  > E.g. it's unusual to care about the images on the packaging of your laundry detergent. Plenty of goods you buy are commodities. Laundry detergent companies have actually been spending billions in ads over multiple decades to manipulate you into caring about it though. > That said, businesses absolutely hate this, which is why you see all kinds of methods being applied to uncommodify goods Exactly.

javcasas 3y ago

And, for raw materials, you have geographical-delimited "copyright" zones, a-la "it's champagne only if it comes from this region in France". The free market is only for the plebs.

gruez 3y ago
Just... don't buy champagne and buy sparkling wine instead?
shortsunblack 3y ago
That is not copyright but a geographical trademark. And trademarks are for the protection of consumers. Champagne is a type of sparkling wine made in the region of Champagne, France. If it isn't made in Champagne, France it, by definition, is not champagne. It's sparkling wine. And this almost always comes with reduction in quality. A premium product gets watered down and Walmartified. Happens with cheeses or any other fancy foodstock. Refusal of United States to recognize European geographical quality marks was one of the reasons why TTIP trade agreement failed (that together with United States wanting Europe to severely reform its legal base for the betterment of American corporations).

TeMPOraL 3y ago

A lot of the time you don't care about it. E.g. it's unusual to care about the images on the packaging of your laundry detergent. Plenty of goods you buy are commodities. That said, businesses absolutely hate this, which is why you see all kinds of methods being applied to uncommodify goods, or ensure they never become commodities in the first place. Exclusive licensing deals for media content is just one of the more egregious examples, but then there are all forms of soft bundling and integrations happening in physical space too.

littlestymaar 3y ago
> E.g. it's unusual to care about the images on the packaging of your laundry detergent. Plenty of goods you buy are commodities. Laundry detergent companies have actually been spending billions in ads over multiple decades to manipulate you into caring about it though. > That said, businesses absolutely hate this, which is why you see all kinds of methods being applied to uncommodify goods Exactly.